asterisk users - Nov 2003 - Asterisk Business discussion again

Hello all,

Last couple weeks we had a lot of business discussions on mailing list,  however
some people don't like it, some people don't needed it, etc.  I had
couple discussions with Asterisk community members, who is interested to have
business discussions about Asterisk, including but not limited to : business
implementations, reselling , Asterisk commercial packages,
IP phones, Asterisk One Stop Shop solutions, Wholesale termination, providers
list, etc.

Idea to which we come up with some members of our Asterisk community is to
create  Asterisk Elite Business mailing list. Which
will be unofficial Asterisk list.  This list will be moderated by couple
moderators and will be really Elite List, we will not allow to access it
spammers ,etc.

During next couple days, we will publish some draft about our vision for 
Business implementation for Asterisk and  related projects.
We welcome anyone who is interested in business discussions about Asterisk and
solutions based on Asterisk to join this Elite Business Asterisk List. We are
also looking for people, individuals, independent consultants who has deep
knowledge of Asterisk from technical side.

If you feel serious about Asterisk, about great IP PBX software, please join us.
Please be informed, it is not one more technical  mailing list, we are not going
to discuss all technical issues, main topics will be related to business,
marketing, sales. It is just unofficial Business  discussion list.

Please send inquiries to asterisk-elite@xvoip.com  to get registered. 

Also we will be publishing archive and information from businesses-list  in our
Private Forum , on http://asterisk.xvoip.com  under
Asterisk  Elite section, which will be hidden from people who is not registered.

Please feel free to join us : asterisk-elite@xvoip.com 

Regards,
Alexander 

Unofficial Asterisk Forums
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Prehaps a new mailing list on list.digium.com if there's really a need for
it, otherwise I bet it won't catch on. Also IMO, the word elite != elite, it
means script kiddies who wish they were.

good luck regardless,
    Adam


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Hello all,

Last couple weeks we had a lot of business discussions on mailing list,
however some people don't like it, some people don't needed it, etc.  I
had
couple discussions with Asterisk community members, who is interested to
have business discussions about Asterisk, including but not limited to :
business implementations, reselling , Asterisk commercial packages,
IP phones, Asterisk One Stop Shop solutions, Wholesale termination,
providers list, etc.

Idea to which we come up with some members of our Asterisk community is to
create  Asterisk Elite Business mailing list. Which
will be unofficial Asterisk list.  This list will be moderated by couple
moderators and will be really Elite List, we will not allow to access it
spammers ,etc.

During next couple days, we will publish some draft about our vision for
Business implementation for Asterisk and  related projects.
We welcome anyone who is interested in business discussions about Asterisk
and solutions based on Asterisk to join this Elite Business Asterisk List.
We are also looking for people, individuals, independent consultants who has
deep knowledge of Asterisk from technical side.

If you feel serious about Asterisk, about great IP PBX software, please join
us.
Please be informed, it is not one more technical  mailing list, we are not
going to discuss all technical issues, main topics will be related to
business, marketing, sales. It is just unofficial Business  discussion list.

Please send inquiries to asterisk-elite@xvoip.com  to get registered.

Also we will be publishing archive and information from businesses-list  in
our Private Forum , on http://asterisk.xvoip.com  under
Asterisk  Elite section, which will be hidden from people who is not
registered.

Please feel free to join us : asterisk-elite@xvoip.com

I agree that a nontech list would be fantastic. The only problem I have
with multiple lists is where people post the same thing to every list.
That is a REAL pain in the ...

Regards,
Adam
> However business-related issues are not so common at this 
> point, so perhaps 
> a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would 
> be relevant?

> Amen!  While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a
> -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues.
> However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps
> a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant?
>
> I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it
> is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the
> traffic on -users.
So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are:

asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?)
asterisk-nontech
asterisk-biz

Any others as well?  If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could
automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a
bit.

The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a
day, and my job is 100% asterisk.  There probably is a justification for a
new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the
-newbies.  Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite
useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical
details of what Asterisk is capable of doing.

Thoughts?

Mark

> So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are:
> 
> asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?)
Maybe asterisk-install ?

Mark Spencer wrote:
>>Amen!  While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding
a
>>-business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues.
>>However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so
perhaps
>>a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant?
>>
>>I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps
it
>>is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the
>>traffic on -users.
>>    
>>
>
>So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are:
>
>asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?)
>asterisk-nontech
>asterisk-biz
>
>Any others as well?  If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could
>automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a
>bit.
>
>The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a
>day, and my job is 100% asterisk.  There probably is a justification for a
>new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the
>-newbies.  Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite
>useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical
>details of what Asterisk is capable of doing.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Mark
>
>  
>
I am not sure a newbies list would help all that much, all that would 
happen is that they would cross post to both lists and we would get 
everything twice.. What may be better would be either a better way to 
search the list archive or a "new users FAQ", of course the FAQ option
requires that someone maintain it which is also a problem..

Forgive my inexperience...but when does a newsgroup, or series of
newsgroups become preferable to a list?

Michael

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:41 +1100, Adam Goryachev wrote:
>I agree that a nontech list would be fantastic. The only problem I have
>with multiple lists is where people post the same thing to every list.
>That is a REAL pain in the ...
>
>Regards,
>Adam
>
>> However business-related issues are not so common at this 
>> point, so perhaps 
>> a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would 
>> be relevant?
>
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On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 09:51, Michael Graves wrote:
> Forgive my inexperience...but when does a newsgroup, or series of
> newsgroups become preferable to a list?
Not. Mailing lists are better suited for long term archival
too(opinion). 

There has been discussion about this before. Newsgroups are not nearly
as friendly to offline usage as mailing lists are. I personally rely on
my local archive of the list to do searching almost as often as I turn
to google. The only other software package I have dealt with recently
that asked you to join a mailing list was VmWare, and it was an
extremely clumsy way of searching for a problem.
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:41 +1100, Adam Goryachev wrote:
> 
> >I agree that a nontech list would be fantastic. The only problem I have
> >with multiple lists is where people post the same thing to every list.
> >That is a REAL pain in the ...
> >
> >Regards,
> >Adam
> >
> >> However business-related issues are not so common at this 
> >> point, so perhaps 
> >> a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would 
> >> be relevant?
> >
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> >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
> >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> 
> Michael Graves                           mgraves@pixelpower.com
> Sr. Product Specialist                          www.pixelpower.com
> Pixel Power Inc.                              gravesmj@earthlink.net
>                                                                         
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:54:15 -0000, Linus Surguy wrote
> > So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are:
> >
> > asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?)
> 
> Maybe asterisk-install ?
> 
asterisk-starters ?