asterisk users - Apr 2003 - Should List be Moderated?

In light of recent flame baits and advertisements sent to the list, I
would like to seek opinions of list members on making the list moderated.
I certainly don't have time to moderate the list myself, so I would
suggest giving at least a half dozen, maybe more, people the ability to
approve posts to keep it flowing quickly.  Moderators would be asked just
to approve/disapprove based upon a specific list of characteristics.
Among characteristics that *could* be considered:

* Posts should not advertise products, especially not those unusuable
under Asterisk
* Posts should not contain profanity
* Posts should not simply be "me-too"'s
* Arguably, maybe something related to flame baits

Any comments on any of these rules, or suggestions for others, that would
make the list more valuable?

Mark

I feel that the list should be unmoderated.  However, I do think several
people would have authority to warn a poster that they are out of line. 
If they refuse to stop, they are banned from the list. 

--Eric

On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 18:43, Mark Spencer wrote:
> In light of recent flame baits and advertisements sent to the list, I
> would like to seek opinions of list members on making the list moderated.
> I certainly don't have time to moderate the list myself, so I would
> suggest giving at least a half dozen, maybe more, people the ability to
> approve posts to keep it flowing quickly.  Moderators would be asked just
> to approve/disapprove based upon a specific list of characteristics.
> Among characteristics that *could* be considered:
> 
> * Posts should not advertise products, especially not those unusuable
> under Asterisk
> * Posts should not contain profanity
> * Posts should not simply be "me-too"'s
> * Arguably, maybe something related to flame baits
> 
> Any comments on any of these rules, or suggestions for others, that would
> make the list more valuable?
> 
> Mark
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Asterisk-Users mailing list
> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
>

> In light of recent flame baits and advertisements sent to the list, I
> would like to seek opinions of list members on making the list moderated.
I`m not against moderating if required, however I don`t think we should
yet - for the following reasons:
 1 - As of this point, pointless rants/abuse is minimum (ie moderated list
not needed yet imho)
 2 - Moderating slows down conversations (and sometimes things go missing)
 3 - Moderating creates a bucket-load of work for people that would be
better speant replying to posts and improving * (this is the killer for me)
> * Posts should not advertise products, especially not those unusuable
> under Asterisk
I agree with the latter, but not the former.   That blanket ban would
include a posting about a new product like the cheap hardware SIP phones
being discussed atm for example - which would hinder the lists value.

What I propose instead:
 1 - Rule list with consequences easily available - and must be read before
people sign up.   (Possibly emailed to the list every month or so, newsgroup
style?)
 2 - If rules violated, warnings provided by 'moderating team'
 3 - If rules routinely violated, banning by 'moderating team'
 4 - Mailing list non-moderated, direct mode as it currently is.
 5 - Review this in say 6 months to see how it is working (ie if a fully
moderated list is required)

What do other people think?

Cheers,
Mathew

Folks

A view from down under

Leave it as it is for present.  Apart from the recent silliness over
flaming and advertisments which were quickly chastised by all and sundry
there has been remarkably little of this type of behaviour.  If the
chastisement of the group in general is sufficient to keep it under
control please leave as it is.  It save the additonal overhead off
having moderators.

I relish this group for having the opportunity for all to share from the
novice to expert.  I do not wish to see additonal overhead on Digium and
those who are key to this exciting forum.

Thanks to all for good work, I always have my delete button and it got
used for the above events.

Regards Peter Armstrong
	Auckland, New Zealand

Okay thank you all for your advice.  I will continue to keep the list
unmoderated, and we might bring it up again in another several months.

Mark

On Monday 07 April 2003 19:43, Mark Spencer wrote:
> In light of recent flame baits and advertisements sent to the
> list, I would like to seek opinions of list members on making the
> list moderated. I certainly don't have time to moderate the list
Personally I like it when the violater is told off-list. This way we 
don't have to follow that thread either. 

-- 

Steve Szmidt
___________________________________________________________
HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more,
and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above.
Using HTML in e-mail only promotes it as safe to the uninitiated.

This was posted last year by Mark.  I figured I'd repost it to refresh
peoples memories.

Please stop posting commercial postings and announcements to the *-users
and *-dev.  Let's self moderate so the list doesn't have to be moderated

James

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:43:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Spencer <markster@digium.com>
Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Should List be Moderated?

In light of recent flame baits and advertisements sent to the list, I
would like to seek opinions of list members on making the list moderated.
I certainly don't have time to moderate the list myself, so I would
suggest giving at least a half dozen, maybe more, people the ability to
approve posts to keep it flowing quickly.  Moderators would be asked just
to approve/disapprove based upon a specific list of characteristics.
Among characteristics that *could* be considered:

* Posts should not advertise products, especially not those unusuable
under Asterisk
* Posts should not contain profanity
* Posts should not simply be "me-too"'s
* Arguably, maybe something related to flame baits

Any comments on any of these rules, or suggestions for others, that would
make the list more valuable?

Mark

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<quote who="James Golovich">
> And thus Asterisk-Biz was born.
> (http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz)
<asterisk-biz-request@lists.digium.com>: unknown user:
"asterisk-biz-request"

So, when will it be fully up?

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