Here are my dose-response data: contrast<-c(0,.1,.04,.02,.03) yes<-c(0+3+2+6+0+4+0+8,49+45,42+37,12+3,40+27) ntrials<-c(49+49+53+53+55+61+52+42,51+45,51+39,47+48,47+58) Contrast is the physical variable (dose) being varied. I can fit these data by MLE to a normal or logistic CDF no problem. I have done it both with nlm and glm. But I run into problems when I try to fit them with an extreme value CDF. In nlm I have problems with NaNs when a log of a number close to zero is taken. In glm the procedure does not converge, presumably for the same reason. I see in Venables and Ripley 237-238 this is a fairly common circumstance. They say to try nlm, which I have done and still have problems. The only other solution I see is to fit via least squares rather than MLE. I wonder if anyone out there is familiar with this sort of problem and has ways to deal with it. Thanks very much for any help. Bill Simpson PS By graphical trial and error I see that the extreme value CDF actually fits these data pretty well. If I use those eyeballed parameter values as a starting point, it doesn't help (numerical problems with near-zeros). -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._