Rails - Apr 2006 - armageddon vs. polling for shared resources, ajax, stale browsers

Hi,

I am using AJAX so much that I never refresh the entire webpage for
the admin side of a webapp. If two people are viewing the same data
and one person makes a change then I want the change to show up in the
other person''s page.

I can have the client poll the server every two seconds to look for changes.

I''m not really interested in Comet for keeping a connection open
between the client and server.

On the rails-core mailing list I read about armageddon and the use of
Flash for real sockets so the server can push data to the client. That
seems great but I''m wary of using Flash at all partly because I
don''t
know much about it and partly because I believe in sticking to
webstandards like HTML, CSS and JavaScript. A future cell phone is
more likely to have these three than having Flash. Are these worries
unjustified? Will Rails sites using armageddon have to pay money to
Macromedia? How many months until armageddon is available?

Thanks,
Peter

You can use today armageddon-like technologies and you need to know nothing
about flash:

http://www.aflax.org/examples/sockets/sockets.html

Disadvantage (requires flash 8, there other solutions buy they are all not
so easy to integrate)

and you only have to pay money to macromedia if you buy their tools to
create flashy content (or license the sourcecode of the flashplayer)

regards
Roberto

On 4/26/06, Peter Michaux <petermichaux@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using AJAX so much that I never refresh the entire webpage for
> the admin side of a webapp. If two people are viewing the same data
> and one person makes a change then I want the change to show up in the
> other person''s page.
>
> I can have the client poll the server every two seconds to look for
> changes.
>
> I''m not really interested in Comet for keeping a connection open
> between the client and server.
>
> On the rails-core mailing list I read about armageddon and the use of
> Flash for real sockets so the server can push data to the client. That
> seems great but I''m wary of using Flash at all partly because I
don''t
> know much about it and partly because I believe in sticking to
> webstandards like HTML, CSS and JavaScript. A future cell phone is
> more likely to have these three than having Flash. Are these worries
> unjustified? Will Rails sites using armageddon have to pay money to
> Macromedia? How many months until armageddon is available?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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On 4/26/06, Roberto Saccon <rsaccon@gmail.com>
wrote:
> You can use today armageddon-like technologies and you need to know nothing
> about flash:
>
> http://www.aflax.org/examples/sockets/sockets.html
>
> Disadvantage (requires flash 8, there other solutions buy they are all not
> so easy to integrate)
Thanks for the info. Do you mean the other solutions require flash < 8?

Peter