Is there any information somewhere which talks about using thin clients from remote locations, over the Internet? I''d like to set up a few remote win clients but would prefer that they have some sort of thin client. Either something with embedded windows or which gets it''s OS from the central network. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Maybe im missing something, but im not sure how this relates to Xen? Anyhoo Off the top of my head google LTSP, SunRay and Wyse. On 14 March 2010 18:48, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote:> Is there any information somewhere which talks about using thin clients > from remote locations, over the Internet? > I''d like to set up a few remote win clients but would prefer that they have > some sort of thin client. Either something with embedded windows or which > gets it''s OS from the central network. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:06:44 +0000, David Markey wrote:> Maybe im missing something, but im not sure how this relates to Xen?As in thin computing over the cloud. Hosting a desktop server on Xen which can be access over the net but by using a thin client rather than a PC. For example, I have ESX servers running win guests on them which users access using a remote access tool. I also have NX where users use the NX client to access their desktop. I was looking at XenDesktop which I am now interested in but wondered if the Xen project has the same capabilities.> Anyhoo Off the top of my head google LTSP, SunRay and Wyse. > > On 14 March 2010 18:48, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote: >> Is there any information somewhere which talks about using thin clients >> from remote locations, over the Internet? >> I''d like to set up a few remote win clients but would prefer that they >> have some sort of thin client. Either something with embedded windows or >> which gets it''s OS from the central network. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
I''m afraid XenDesktop is a proprietary product from Citrix. I''m not sure if there are any open source VDI solutions based on Xen. I kind of half created one about a year ago. I must finish it :) On 14 March 2010 20:14, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote:> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:06:44 +0000, David Markey wrote: > > Maybe im missing something, but im not sure how this relates to Xen? > > As in thin computing over the cloud. Hosting a desktop server on Xen which > can be access over the net but by using a thin client rather than a PC. For > example, I have ESX servers running win guests on them which users access > using a remote access tool. I also have NX where users use the NX client to > access their desktop. > > I was looking at XenDesktop which I am now interested in but wondered if > the Xen project has the same capabilities. > > > > > Anyhoo Off the top of my head google LTSP, SunRay and Wyse. > > > > On 14 March 2010 18:48, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote: > >> Is there any information somewhere which talks about using thin clients > >> from remote locations, over the Internet? > >> I''d like to set up a few remote win clients but would prefer that they > >> have some sort of thin client. Either something with embedded windows or > >> which gets it''s OS from the central network. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xen-users mailing list > >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Oh, I see. I better understand your reply now. Thanks for the input. Guess I''ll head back to citrix then :). On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:51:32 +0000, David Markey wrote:> I''m afraid XenDesktop is a proprietary product from Citrix. > > I''m not sure if there are any open source VDI solutions based on Xen. > > > I kind of half created one about a year ago. I must finish it :) > > On 14 March 2010 20:14, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:06:44 +0000, David Markey wrote: >>> Maybe im missing something, but im not sure how this relates to Xen? >>> >> >> As in thin computing over the cloud. Hosting a desktop server on Xen >> which can be access over the net but by using a thin client rather than a >> PC. For example, I have ESX servers running win guests on them which >> users access using a remote access tool. I also have NX where users use >> the NX client to access their desktop. >> >> I was looking at XenDesktop which I am now interested in but wondered if >> the Xen project has the same capabilities. >> >> >>> Anyhoo Off the top of my head google LTSP, SunRay and Wyse. >>> >>> On 14 March 2010 18:48, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote: >>>> Is there any information somewhere which talks about using thin >>>> clients >>>> from remote locations, over the Internet? >>>> I''d like to set up a few remote win clients but would prefer that they >>>> have some sort of thin client. Either something with embedded windows >>>> or >>>> which gets it''s OS from the central network. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xen-users mailing list >>>> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >>>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:08 AM, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote:> Oh, I see. I better understand your reply now. Thanks for the input. Guess I''ll head back to citrix then :).>>> For example, I have ESX servers running win guests on them which >>> users access using a remote access tool.Does that qualify as thin client?> I also have NX where users use >>> the NX client to access their desktop.when using NX, rdesktop, vnc (or other equivalent technologies) it should not matter what underlying technology you use to run servers on (bare metal, vmware, xen, etc). So you could have servers running Windows/Linux on top of ESX or Xen, then have users access them using NX/rdesktop. -- Fajar _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Hi, thanks for your reply.>>>> For example, I have ESX servers running win guests on them which >>>> users access using a remote access tool. >>>> > Does that qualify as thin client?Perhaps in terminology but it''s not what I need. What I need is to allow a remote user, using something like a wyse thin client to access a win guest on the network over the Internet. In the above case, they are currently using something more along the lines of PCAnywhere if you will.> when using NX, rdesktop, vnc (or other equivalent technologies) it > should not matter what underlying technology you use to run servers on > (bare metal, vmware, xen, etc). So you could have servers running > Windows/Linux on top of ESX or Xen, then have users access them using > NX/rdesktop.I am not following, sorry. I use NX to host linux desktop''s for remote users but I need to do something similar for win machines. It is not efficient to use remote access tools and want to use something which is much faster, such as NX desktops but for win guests. Are you saying that the nx server can also host win guests? I''ve never seen that anywhere. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>So something like a super small linux distro that runs X with a >vnc/rdp client that fires off on boot, maybe to preconfigured remote >desktop? You would install this on the client machines as their os?Something along those lines but for win guests. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote:>> when using NX, rdesktop, vnc (or other equivalent technologies) it >> should not matter what underlying technology you use to run servers on >> (bare metal, vmware, xen, etc). So you could have servers running >> Windows/Linux on top of ESX or Xen, then have users access them using >> NX/rdesktop. > > I am not following, sorry.My point is that Vmware or Xen by itself should not have anything to do with the thin client technology directly.> I use NX to host linux desktop''s for remote users but I need to do something similar for win machines. It is not efficient to use remote access tools and want to use something which is much faster, such as NX desktops but for win guests.AFAIK anything that involves Windows thin client would eventually go back to terminal server/remote desktop. -- Fajar _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
I agree with Fajar here, but I don''t know anything about how VMware might be doing this, so perhaps they offer a thin terminal service that Xen does not? Otherwise, whatever a WYSE terminal needs to connect is probably installed on Windows and this can be installed on Windows in Xen as well (a virtual Windows machine shouldn''t know it is virtual, regardless of the virtualization technology). Even if VMWare does have something proprietary, I should think you could do the same thing without VMWare in a Windows environment, which would, again, lead back to Windows running the service, not Xen. If this scenario requires a DHCP server or something else that XP doesn''t do natively, then the appropriate software would need installed on Windows or Linux (in a separate domU or dom0), but again, this would have nothing to do with Xen. Dustin -----Original Message----- From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Fajar A. Nugraha Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 01:03 To: mike@grounded.net Cc: xen-users Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Thin Clients On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM, mike@grounded.net <mike@grounded.net> wrote:>> when using NX, rdesktop, vnc (or other equivalent technologies) it >> should not matter what underlying technology you use to run servers on >> (bare metal, vmware, xen, etc). So you could have servers running >> Windows/Linux on top of ESX or Xen, then have users access them using >> NX/rdesktop. > > I am not following, sorry.My point is that Vmware or Xen by itself should not have anything to do with the thin client technology directly.> I use NX to host linux desktop''s for remote users but I need to dosomething similar for win machines. It is not efficient to use remote access tools and want to use something which is much faster, such as NX desktops but for win guests. AFAIK anything that involves Windows thin client would eventually go back to terminal server/remote desktop. -- Fajar _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> AFAIK anything that involves Windows thin client would eventually go > back to terminal server/remote desktop.Right, I got it, thanks. I wondered if the Xen project had anything like XenDesktop or XenServer/Center for example. I guess that answers why I wasn''t finding anything in documentation. Mike _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>>> On 2010/03/15 at 08:54, "mike@grounded.net" <mike@grounded.net> wrote: >> AFAIK anything that involves Windows thin client would eventually go >> back to terminal server/remote desktop. > > Right, I got it, thanks. I wondered if the Xen project had anything like > XenDesktop or XenServer/Center for example. > I guess that answers why I wasn''t finding anything in documentation.If you''re asking if there are open source versions of those products available, the answer is no. You can run individual XP or higher VMs on XenServer (or Xen, the open source version), but you''ll have to either manually assign connections or find some sort of connection broker to do it. -Nick -------- This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, please note that this message may contain SEAKR Engineering (SEAKR) Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you are strictly prohibited from downloading, photocopying, distributing or otherwise using this message, its contents or attachments in any way. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail and delete the message from your mailbox. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of SEAKR is neither endorsed by nor attributable to SEAKR. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>If you''re asking if there are open source versions of those products >available, the answer is no. You can run individual XP or higher VMs on >XenServer (or Xen, the open source version), but you''ll have to either >manually assign connections or find some sort of connection broker to do it.More than anything, I''m looking for a way to manage the OS''s so that remote users don''t keep breaking them. That''s why I started looking into XenSever which lead me to thinking that Xen might even have some of those options. Manually would be fine, it''s that I''d like to be able to give users a thin client to access a fixed OS I can manage at the network side. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users