Xen users - Dec 2006 - CIM @ LINUX(XEN) (FC6 or SuSE 10)

Hi all,

Is it possible to have CIM on linux or not?
Does any one have any clue about from where can i download CIM for LINUX.
And how does it work over Linux?
I have a fully virtualized system with FC6 as a host OS including xen 3.0.3
and SuSE10 as a guest OS. Now i would like to know is it possible to have
CIM in SeSU 10 ?
Please also let me know if there is any good site from where i could gain
information about the same.

Any or all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in adavance...

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On 12/29/06, anant <ANigam@uclan.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have CIM on linux or not?
> Does any one have any clue about from where can i download CIM for LINUX.
I don''t know much about cim, but I see that entering it in a google
search gives a lot of
hits...

For cim and xen there''s an extra mailing list, called xen-cim and a
wiki page, but it''s very small:
http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenCim

Henning

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Thanks for reply, i guess the link that you gave me could be of some help as
that presentation includes many link for tutorials and all, ill go through
it.
I didnt realized that it could be confusing to guess what is CIM..so for
those who are not sure what CIM is ->

CIM = Common information model.
Like for windows OS there is CIM-WMI (Common Information Model- Windows
Management Instrumentation) which retrieves information from the hard drive.
But i am not sure if there is something like this for linux.
After lot of research i could find out one site i.e.
http://www.openpegasus.org/ 
But there is a download option but i couldnt find anything to download. If
any one knows about CIM, and from where can i download then pls do share
your knowledge.
Thanks

Henning Sprang wrote:
> 
> On 12/29/06, anant <ANigam@uclan.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is it possible to have CIM on linux or not?
>> Does any one have any clue about from where can i download CIM for
LINUX.
> 
> I don''t know much about cim, but I see that entering it in a
google
> search gives a lot of
> hits...
> 
> For cim and xen there''s an extra mailing list, called xen-cim and
a
> wiki page, but it''s very small:
> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenCim
> 
> Henning
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anant wrote:
> Thanks for reply, i guess the link that you gave me could be of some help
as
> that presentation includes many link for tutorials and all, ill go through
> it.
> I didnt realized that it could be confusing to guess what is CIM..so for
> those who are not sure what CIM is ->
> 
> CIM = Common information model.
> Like for windows OS there is CIM-WMI (Common Information Model- Windows
> Management Instrumentation) which retrieves information from the hard
drive.
> But i am not sure if there is something like this for linux.
> After lot of research i could find out one site i.e.
> http://www.openpegasus.org/ 
> But there is a download option but i couldnt find anything to download. If
> any one knows about CIM, and from where can i download then pls do share
> your knowledge.
> Thanks
No.  Neither Compuserve CIM 2.x nor 3.x are supported on Xen. :P

Anyway, if you want something Xen-specific incorporated into the CIM
schema, you''ll need to talk to the DMTF.  As for any other apps on
Linux
that have nothing to do with Xen: wrong mailing list.

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Yeah i know there is nothing to do with Xen to have CIM. But as i am not sure
wether it is possible over Linux or not. And if its possible then my concern
was to have it install over my SuSE10 guest operating system on top of Xen
in FC6.
So this way there is some connection with Xen here. May be i am wrong here,
but to make it sure i started this thread under this list.
So you said CIM is not supported on XEN by this do you want to say its not
possible to install CIM over guest OS which are installed on top of XEN ?
Thanks for your reply.... 


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On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 07:14 -0800, anant wrote:
> Yeah i know there is nothing to do with Xen to have CIM. But as i am not
sure
> wether it is possible over Linux or not. And if its possible then my
concern
> was to have it install over my SuSE10 guest operating system on top of Xen
> in FC6.
> So this way there is some connection with Xen here. May be i am wrong here,
> but to make it sure i started this thread under this list.
> So you said CIM is not supported on XEN by this do you want to say its not
> possible to install CIM over guest OS which are installed on top of XEN ?
> Thanks for your reply.... 
CIM, and the rest of the standards by DMTF are at best academic only..
and rather broad.

A company using Xen as its core, and *trying* to follow (at least
through UML) is www.3tera.com (AppLogic), which is based on (I think)
Xen 2.0.7

A more confusing question to answer your question is CIM as applied to
what? By saying CIM on Linux you''re also alluding to SMASH and other
standards, which have yet to be considered much less evaluated by most
distros.

Like any other standard this is achieved in milestones. The new Xen API
based on xmlrpc is a good start, but I have no idea if XenCim is
targeting that, xenfs, or .. what. 

There are thousands, and thousands of packages to consider, most
unrelated to Xen that have to conform (together) to meet that standard,
if I understand it correctly.

Without forking over $$$ to DMTF, I really can''t get to the
''meat'' of
what they''re doing other than the academic papers, which I have neither
time nor inclination to read, so I could be misunderstanding it a bit.

When you say ''it'' install over suse, which part of the
standard are you
referring to?
> 
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I am referring to WBEM packages here.
Even i have not a full knwoledge about it yet. Well like in Windows you have
CIM-WMI to retrieve information from hard drive so i am looking for
something similar over linux OS.
Thanks

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anant wrote:
> I am referring to WBEM packages here.
> Even i have not a full knwoledge about it yet. Well like in Windows you
have
> CIM-WMI to retrieve information from hard drive so i am looking for
> something similar over linux OS.
> Thanks
> 
Just use SNMP.  This still has nothing to do with Xen.

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> I am referring to WBEM packages here.
> Even i have not a full knwoledge about it yet. Well like in Windows
you have
> CIM-WMI to retrieve information from hard drive so i am looking for
> something similar over linux OS.
> Thanks
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Anant -

There are developers working on an open source implementation of a DMTF
CIM provider for Xen.  Check out the mailing list
http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-cim/ and the repository
http://xenbits.xensource.com/ext/os-cmpi-xen.hg.  

HTH,
Luke Szymanski

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