On Tuesday, 24 July 2001 at 23:51, Mike Prudence wrote:> I've reached the end of my very, very long tether, and not being an > afficionado of the online mp3 streaming scene, I'd just like to know:- > > - icecast is the open source equivalent of something. > - can I pay some money and get the non-open source version of that > something that will run on my Linux box and work ??you can get the not-open-source version free from shoutcast.com. Your symptoms imply that you may be trying to stream high-bitrate MP3s? (that would be 160kbit+). For starters, try setting sleep_ratio to 0 in icecast.conf. Although it burns more CPU it may save you some grief. Alternatively you could try checking out icecast from CVS, although I wouldn't recommend using the web interface to do it :) -Brendan> [For those interested in details, my symptoms are this: latest release > iceast, latest release ices, get listed on icecast.org, not listed on > shoutcast.com; streaming works for a few minutes, then get stuttering and > then client gives up and restarts; ices gives up after 10 minutes or so > (whole process dies); listening locally (ie, on our 100Mbps LAN), get > continual winking red lights from Winamp, unless I press pause, then play, > which seems to steady the stream, although it then goes all weird after > about five minutes, and then someone times out and the connection gets > dropped; tried with ices and shout; tried with both redhat 6.2 and 7.1 > systems; tried with icecast on one machine and ices on another; local > listener on local 100Mbps network; remote listener (over 256Kbps cable > modem) seems more stable (less Winamp redlights) but still dies after 5 > minutes or so; tried Sonique client, same results; only common factor is > me: ie, config files set much the same, followed the same instructions to > compile and install. I'm sure it works, but I'll be damned if I can make > it work! Oh, and if anyone says 'get the CVS source' try doing that from > the web interface and maintain your sanity.]--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Brendan Cully wrote: | you can get the not-open-source version free from shoutcast.com. Your | symptoms imply that you may be trying to stream high-bitrate MP3s? | (that would be 160kbit+). For starters, try setting sleep_ratio to 0 | in icecast.conf. Although it burns more CPU it may save you some | grief. Alternatively you could try checking out icecast from CVS, | although I wouldn't recommend using the web interface to do it :) Per my email a few days ago, the sock.c return value fix fixed all my studdering problems. Checking out what's in icecast CVS right now will give you that (and other) bug fixes. Brendan/Jack: I think it's enough to warrant a tag and release of 1.3.11. /dale --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hi all, I'm afraid that having spent yet another entire day floundering around in the world of icecast, I've really now got to the point of asking a difficult question. I set up an icecast server back in early 1999, and it seemed to work fine for months. We had a server crash here that meant I had to go and reget the sources to rebuild, and ever since then it has been nothing but grief. I've reached the end of my very, very long tether, and not being an afficionado of the online mp3 streaming scene, I'd just like to know:- - icecast is the open source equivalent of something. - can I pay some money and get the non-open source version of that something that will run on my Linux box and work ?? I just want to stream some mp3 files. It can't surely be this hard, can it ?? [For those interested in details, my symptoms are this: latest release iceast, latest release ices, get listed on icecast.org, not listed on shoutcast.com; streaming works for a few minutes, then get stuttering and then client gives up and restarts; ices gives up after 10 minutes or so (whole process dies); listening locally (ie, on our 100Mbps LAN), get continual winking red lights from Winamp, unless I press pause, then play, which seems to steady the stream, although it then goes all weird after about five minutes, and then someone times out and the connection gets dropped; tried with ices and shout; tried with both redhat 6.2 and 7.1 systems; tried with icecast on one machine and ices on another; local listener on local 100Mbps network; remote listener (over 256Kbps cable modem) seems more stable (less Winamp redlights) but still dies after 5 minutes or so; tried Sonique client, same results; only common factor is me: ie, config files set much the same, followed the same instructions to compile and install. I'm sure it works, but I'll be damned if I can make it work! Oh, and if anyone says 'get the CVS source' try doing that from the web interface and maintain your sanity.] Er, help ??? Cheers, Mike Films at 59 Ltd, Bristol. http://www.filmsat59.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hi Asif,>understand but it is preety ok for testing [im talking Win32 here]. If you >need to experiment with it , great but dont be upset if you dont go >anywhere.I'm not upset as such, just puzzled - I use to have a nice little icecast server that worked!! In-attention on my part means I can't tell you which *version* worked, but I know it used to! As a long time dabbler in the world of Linux, I'm a keen open source supporter. My constraints (as I am actually just experimenting) is that whatever I use is open source, works on Linux, and costs nothing to experiment with. Cheers, Mike Films at 59 Ltd, Bristol. http://www.filmsat59.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> I consider icecast as a testing application server. You just cant deploy it > all of a sudden becuse it needs a lot of work still and the UI needs to be > friendlier. Lets wait till the top programmers come up with a centralI don't know why there's lots of problems lately. I assume some small libc implementation changed that icecast must have depended on. I ran icecast on 4 boxes, running 6 server per box, with a straight-out-of-the-box compile for almost a year. We didn't have any stuttering problems. It's true that sock.c did have a bug in it. But several of the proposed patches were _wrong_. The one in CVS should be correct. Saying that icecast is only appropriate for testing is wrong. Many people use it on a daily basis for production work. It looks like there's a legitimate hard-to-find bug in there somewhere, but on the bright side, icecast 2 seems to have _none_ of these problems. We might try all reporing our glibc versions, OS versions and vendors, and system load while broadcasting to see if there are any obvious similarities. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Asif M. Baloch wrote:> Well, > > I consider icecast as a testing application server. You just cant deploy it > all of a sudden becuse it needs a lot of work still and the UI needs to be > friendlier.Being a server, it shouldn't really have an interface at all. What Icecast needs is server tools (which I am working on at the moment, but at a snails pace. It sucks when you have a job and school and stuff that conflicts with your free time.) There is IceBerg, but that's for Linux only, and it seems to be lacking in some parts. However, I like the admin console myself. I find it a bit more flexible than Shoutcast. (Of course, I'm one of those people who thought that the console was user-friendly) -- ------------------------------------------------ Joe Bowser - bowserj@unbc.ca Student Director Education Alternative Radio Society ----------------------------------------------- http://web.unbc.ca/~bowserj/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Well, I consider icecast as a testing application server. You just cant deploy it all of a sudden becuse it needs a lot of work still and the UI needs to be friendlier. Lets wait till the top programmers come up with a central solution which i am sure that they will. I myself have been using SHOUTcast and its ok. User count reached at 460 a time ago but with icecast, i dont think that it can at every user end. This depends on a lot of things but primarily the platform and bandwidth. Though the console is preety tough to understand but it is preety ok for testing [im talking Win32 here]. If you need to experiment with it , great but dont be upset if you dont go anywhere. Regards, ------------------------------------------ Asif M. Baloch Portal Manager Hilinks.com Product Manager BaliNet Product Manager e-Fax e-Tech Group of Companies Karachi, Pakistan. Tel: 111-88-99-88 ------------------------------------------- $ To understand the program, you have to become both the machine and the program $ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Prudence <mjp@filmsat59.com> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:51 AM Subject: [icecast] Sacrilege, but...> Hi all, > > I'm afraid that having spent yet another entire day floundering around in > the world of icecast, I've really now got to the point of asking a > difficult question. > > I set up an icecast server back in early 1999, and it seemed to work fine > for months. We had a server crash here that meant I had to go and reget > the sources to rebuild, and ever since then it has been nothing but grief. > > I've reached the end of my very, very long tether, and not being an > afficionado of the online mp3 streaming scene, I'd just like to know:- > > - icecast is the open source equivalent of something. > - can I pay some money and get the non-open source version of that > something that will run on my Linux box and work ?? > > I just want to stream some mp3 files. It can't surely be this hard, canit ??> > [For those interested in details, my symptoms are this: latest release > iceast, latest release ices, get listed on icecast.org, not listed on > shoutcast.com; streaming works for a few minutes, then get stuttering and > then client gives up and restarts; ices gives up after 10 minutes or so > (whole process dies); listening locally (ie, on our 100Mbps LAN), get > continual winking red lights from Winamp, unless I press pause, then play, > which seems to steady the stream, although it then goes all weird after > about five minutes, and then someone times out and the connection gets > dropped; tried with ices and shout; tried with both redhat 6.2 and 7.1 > systems; tried with icecast on one machine and ices on another; local > listener on local 100Mbps network; remote listener (over 256Kbps cable > modem) seems more stable (less Winamp redlights) but still dies after 5 > minutes or so; tried Sonique client, same results; only common factor is > me: ie, config files set much the same, followed the same instructions to > compile and install. I'm sure it works, but I'll be damned if I can make > it work! Oh, and if anyone says 'get the CVS source' try doing that from > the web interface and maintain your sanity.] > > Er, help ??? > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > Films at 59 Ltd, Bristol. http://www.filmsat59.com > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hi Brendan, Thanks for your quick reply!>you can get the not-open-source version free from shoutcast.com.I'll purloin that today and see if it makes any difference.....> Your >symptoms imply that you may be trying to stream high-bitrate MP3s? >(that would be 160kbit+).Bzzzzt - nope, sorry, a 128Kbps stream. Another experiement for today is to go down to say 24Kbps and see if that helps any...> For starters, try setting sleep_ratio to 0 >in icecast.conf. Although it burns more CPU it may save you some >grief.Done that, made no difference I'm afraid. Took me a long while trawling through the mailing list archives to find that one - the search option from the mailing list archive page doesn't seem to work at all, even when you search for something that you know is in there!!> Alternatively you could try checking out icecast from CVS, >although I wouldn't recommend using the web interface to do it :)Harumph. So how do you do it without involving the combined forces of Nato and spending a decade learning how to fight with WinCVS or whatever ???? Thanks again for the help ;-) Cheers, Mike Films at 59 Ltd, Bristol. http://www.filmsat59.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.