Icecast - Aug 2004 - question about icecast & winamp & media player

Hi,

It's been pretty quiet as of late.

I have a question.

I have an icecast server housed at my provider with a very good internet
connection.

At work I'm using an ADSL line, which should be sufficient to listen to
the 128K streams I'm sending out.

However, when I listen with WinAmp, after about half an hour the stream
stutters and stops.  I can restart it and listen again but it will stop
again as well.  I don't think icecast is at fault here, but I wonder what
WinAmp is doing wrong ?

When I listen with Windows Media Player 7.0 (which seems to work with
mountpoints btw), it can play for up till an hour, at which point it
declares the stream has ended (how can it know) and stops playing.

Why the difference ? What's happening here ? How can I make media player 
keep playing as well ?

thanks in advance,
thomas

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But most of all I'd like to go with a friend
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Ahah!
I knew I was not the only person who has experienced this with winamp. The
problem here is winamp 2.7. It seems that when I tuned into my shoutcast
servers (when I ran shoutcast) with winamp 2.7 the longest period I could
hold a stream was a little more then an hour. No matter what I did it would
bit the dust. There was some discussion about this on the shoutcast
broadcaster list, but no one at nullsoft cleared the air about it. Winamp
2.71 seems a bit better, but still chokes especially on long streams from a
shoutcast server(ie files being streamed that are over 60 minutes in length
such as DJ sets), and will still bit the dust after 4 hours at times. Not
sure what is going on with windows media player 7.0. Exactly my question
too... how does it now that it's ended?? Bizarre....

As a test I fired up icecast 1.3.7 a while back and tuned into its stream,
and winamp did the same thing after 2 hours. It basically stops, and
continuously scans back and forth being stupid. I also tried this with
KasterBlaster, and around the same time limit winamp 2.7 stops. About 2
hours and a few minutes and then dead air... The big major change in winamp
2.7 AFAIK was the mpeg decoder. Is it possible that winamp is some how
loosing sync with the MPEG data? There have aslo been reports of winamp
cycling its time counter down or getting stuck in a loop and if left alone
will eventually crash, taking a few things with it. This never happened with
winamp 2.64 and I have had that version connected to a server for over a
week without stopping.

What about freeamp? I have not tried that lately... Sonique seems to work,
but I can't stand that clunker enough to let it run for extended periods of
time.

If you can find a copy of 2.64 try that. I can send you a version off list
if you have problems locating one.

Cheers.

Lithium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Vander Stichele" <thomas@urgent.rug.ac.be>
To: <icecast@xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:08 AM
Subject: [icecast] question about icecast & winamp & media player
> Hi,
>
> It's been pretty quiet as of late.
>
> I have a question.
>
> I have an icecast server housed at my provider with a very good internet
> connection.
>
> At work I'm using an ADSL line, which should be sufficient to listen to
> the 128K streams I'm sending out.
>
> However, when I listen with WinAmp, after about half an hour the stream
> stutters and stops.  I can restart it and listen again but it will stop
> again as well.  I don't think icecast is at fault here, but I wonder
what
> WinAmp is doing wrong ?
>
> When I listen with Windows Media Player 7.0 (which seems to work with
> mountpoints btw), it can play for up till an hour, at which point it
> declares the stream has ended (how can it know) and stops playing.
>
> Why the difference ? What's happening here ? How can I make media
player
> keep playing as well ?
>
> thanks in advance,
> thomas
>
> <-*-                      -*->
> Please put me somewhere near the sea
> With one carrion angel waiting for me
> who'll be holding my heart in it's hand
> But most of all I'd like to go with a friend
> <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*->
> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/
>
>
>
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Oh yeah, one of the things I have found that helps is increasing the
streaming buffers on winamp to 128KB no matter what version it is. Seems to
like that and hold steadier then at 64 or 32KB.

Lithium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Vander Stichele" <thomas@urgent.rug.ac.be>
To: <icecast@xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:08 AM
Subject: [icecast] question about icecast & winamp & media player
> Hi,
>
> It's been pretty quiet as of late.
>
> I have a question.
>
> I have an icecast server housed at my provider with a very good internet
> connection.
>
> At work I'm using an ADSL line, which should be sufficient to listen to
> the 128K streams I'm sending out.
>
> However, when I listen with WinAmp, after about half an hour the stream
> stutters and stops.  I can restart it and listen again but it will stop
> again as well.  I don't think icecast is at fault here, but I wonder
what
> WinAmp is doing wrong ?
>
> When I listen with Windows Media Player 7.0 (which seems to work with
> mountpoints btw), it can play for up till an hour, at which point it
> declares the stream has ended (how can it know) and stops playing.
>
> Why the difference ? What's happening here ? How can I make media
player
> keep playing as well ?
>
> thanks in advance,
> thomas
>
> <-*-                      -*->
> Please put me somewhere near the sea
> With one carrion angel waiting for me
> who'll be holding my heart in it's hand
> But most of all I'd like to go with a friend
> <-*- thomas@apestaart.org -*->
> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/
>
>
>
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Hey there listmembers

On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 03:20:09AM -0800, Kelly Lee Myers wrote:
> 
> As a test I fired up icecast 1.3.7 a while back and tuned into its stream,
> and winamp did the same thing after 2 hours. It basically stops, and
> continuously scans back and forth being stupid. I also tried this with
> KasterBlaster, and around the same time limit winamp 2.7 stops. About 2
> hours and a few minutes and then dead air... The big major change in winamp
> 2.7 AFAIK was the mpeg decoder. Is it possible that winamp is some how
> loosing sync with the MPEG data? There have aslo been reports of winamp
> cycling its time counter down or getting stuck in a loop and if left alone
> will eventually crash, taking a few things with it. This never happened
with
> winamp 2.64 and I have had that version connected to a server for over a
> week without stopping.
I dont know about winamp, luckely i converted some months back so now
im runnig xmms and its rockstable. We are running our icecastserver
1.37 and ive been connected to the stream for days without looseing
the stream? We had some troubles with the icecast server thought, 
after a period of time it would hang up and one couldn't connect to
it. I talked to jack about it and the problem is caused by the reverse 
dns lookup feature in theserver. So whatever you do dont set that line
to 1 ;-) 

Btw we use libshout to feeder the server? It seems that jack have done
a pretty good job there on getting those nasty sync bugs out that we
saw earlier in fx shout. That again is another good advise dont use
shout for feeding your server! Its broken and its not supported
anymore use ices which is build on the new code jack wrote.


-- 
Venlig hilsen/Kind regards
Thomas Kirk
thomas@arkena.com
http://www.arkena.com

"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time."
		-- Steven Wright

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Vander Stichele" <thomas@urgent.rug.ac.be>
>
> However, when I listen with WinAmp, after about half an hour the stream
> stutters and stops.  I can restart it and listen again but it will stop
> again as well.  I don't think icecast is at fault here, but I wonder
what
> WinAmp is doing wrong ?
>
Weird.. well, FWIW for debugging your prob..

I have been using icecast 1.3.7 (on NT4.0) with a Winamp (SHOUTcast) source
and a winamp client (both 2.64 and 2.72).  I've had the winamp client
connected to the stream for over 36 hours before and regularly listen for 8
hours at a time without any probs really.  There have been a couple
(literally) times where my winamp client just stopped for no reason (no
stutter tho) but the server was still streaming.

That sucks that you are having those probs.. it's gotta be very frustrating
:(  
Good luck in tracking down the prob.

peace,
Todd

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What about freeamp? I have not tried that lately... Sonique seems to work,
   but I can't stand that clunker enough to let it run for extended periods
of
   time.

I always use Freeamp, it runs for weeks at a time connected to my
icecast server on Linux.  Freeamp is the best, if you don't mind it
being somewhat large (although xmms isn't exactly the smallest
program, is it).

I have a patch for icecast that corrects some of these weird
disconnect problems with icecast (if your client repeats part of a
frame over and over for a few seconds before dying, this patch will
probably help).

Mark

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