Hello mailing list subscribers!
When I delete a message in Mac Mail 6.5 (OS X 10.8.4),
with the option to move messages to the trash set in Mac Mail account
preferences,
the message is copied to the trash, and markes as trashed in the cur/inbox
directory on the server (STa flag in the file name).
My horde webmail then displays this messages correctly as trashed in the inbox.
However, I want the message to be gone from the inbox.
Quitting Mac Mail deletes it in the inbox reliably.
Is there any IMAP setting for dovecot to get move, and not copy and mark as
trashed behavior?
Here are my dovecot settings:
# 2.1.7: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
# OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian 7.1 ext4
auth_mechanisms = plain login
mail_location = maildir:/var/mail/vhosts/%d/%n
mail_privileged_group = mail
managesieve_notify_capability = mailto
managesieve_sieve_capability = fileinto reject envelope encoded-character
vacation subaddress comparator-i;ascii-numeric relational regex imap4flags copy
include variables body enotify environment mailbox date ihave
passdb {
args = /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf.ext
driver = sql
}
plugin {
sieve = ~/.dovecot.sieve
sieve_dir = ~/sieve
}
postmaster_address = admin at xxx.xxx
protocols = imap pop3 lmtp sieve
service auth-worker {
user = vmail
}
service auth {
unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/auth {
group = postfix
mode = 0666
user = postfix
}
unix_listener auth-userdb {
mode = 0600
user = vmail
}
user = dovecot
}
service imap-login {
inet_listener imap {
port = 0
}
inet_listener imaps {
port = 993
ssl = yes
}
}
service lmtp {
unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-lmtp {
group = postfix
mode = 0600
user = postfix
}
}
service pop3-login {
inet_listener pop3 {
port = 0
}
inet_listener pop3s {
port = 995
ssl = yes
}
}
ssl = required
ssl_cert = </etc/ssl/certs/mailportabile.pem
ssl_key = </etc/ssl/private/mailportabile.key
submission_host = localhost
userdb {
args = uid=vmail gid=vmail home=/var/mail/vhosts/%d/%n
driver = static
}
protocol lda {
mail_plugins = " sieve"
}
Hi, if I remember correctly, there is no option in the IMAP protocol to move a message per se. Moving a message to trash or elswere will copy the message first and then mark the message as deleted from original folder. If you would like to delete it immediately after storing in the odther folder, there must be some flag (expunge) to set in your mail client. As I just said, I'm not shure if I rember correctly. Regards Urban Am 03.09.2013 19:11, schrieb Tim Schneider:> Hello mailing list subscribers! > > When I delete a message in Mac Mail 6.5 (OS X 10.8.4), > with the option to move messages to the trash set in Mac Mail account preferences, > the message is copied to the trash, and markes as trashed in the cur/inbox directory on the server (STa flag in the file name). > > My horde webmail then displays this messages correctly as trashed in the inbox. > However, I want the message to be gone from the inbox. > > Quitting Mac Mail deletes it in the inbox reliably. > > Is there any IMAP setting for dovecot to get move, and not copy and mark as trashed behavior? > > Here are my dovecot settings: > > # 2.1.7: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf > # OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian 7.1 ext4 > auth_mechanisms = plain login > mail_location = maildir:/var/mail/vhosts/%d/%n > mail_privileged_group = mail > managesieve_notify_capability = mailto > managesieve_sieve_capability = fileinto reject envelope encoded-character vacation subaddress comparator-i;ascii-numeric relational regex imap4flags copy include variables body enotify environment mailbox date ihave > passdb { > args = /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf.ext > driver = sql > } > plugin { > sieve = ~/.dovecot.sieve > sieve_dir = ~/sieve > } > postmaster_address = admin at xxx.xxx > protocols = imap pop3 lmtp sieve > service auth-worker { > user = vmail > } > service auth { > unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/auth { > group = postfix > mode = 0666 > user = postfix > } > unix_listener auth-userdb { > mode = 0600 > user = vmail > } > user = dovecot > } > service imap-login { > inet_listener imap { > port = 0 > } > inet_listener imaps { > port = 993 > ssl = yes > } > } > service lmtp { > unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-lmtp { > group = postfix > mode = 0600 > user = postfix > } > } > service pop3-login { > inet_listener pop3 { > port = 0 > } > inet_listener pop3s { > port = 995 > ssl = yes > } > } > ssl = required > ssl_cert = </etc/ssl/certs/mailportabile.pem > ssl_key = </etc/ssl/private/mailportabile.key > submission_host = localhost > userdb { > args = uid=vmail gid=vmail home=/var/mail/vhosts/%d/%n > driver = static > } > protocol lda { > mail_plugins = " sieve" > } >
The right wording (expunge) provided me with some clues. Anyway, Mac Mail does not have such a flag. It seems to be deliberately designed to do the expunge on quitting the application. Expunge can also be triggered by using cmd+shift+k with no marked messages to empty all trashes. Using this command, one can also mark a message and expunge it directly, bypassing the trash. I don't want to exclude the possiblity that this has got something to do with the IDLE system, and could be resolved by, for example, providing the right IMAP capabilities flags upon com init. Interestingly, iOS mail does delete the message in the inbox directly when moving it to trash. Thanks anyway to the contributors of this thread, I think I will have to accept this behavior, since Apple does usually not care about customer requests to resolve bugs. Mostly they declare them to be intended stupidity, even when they sell items that behave just the opposite way. Anyway, Zarafa mail server has a flag imap_expunge_on_delete. Perhaps this would be a useful feature for Dovecot to protect admins from angry customers who use well-designed Apple products. On 2013-09-03, at 20:16 , lists-dovecot <replies-lists-a1z2-dovecot at listmail.innovate.net> wrote:> > > ------------ Original Message ------------ >> Date: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 07:11:40 PM +0200 >> From: Tim Schneider <tim.schneider at portabile.net> >> To: dovecot at dovecot.org >> Subject: [Dovecot] Deleting messages with Mac Mail via IMAP >> >> Hello mailing list subscribers! >> >> When I delete a message in Mac Mail 6.5 (OS X 10.8.4), >> with the option to move messages to the trash set in Mac Mail >> account preferences, the message is copied to the trash, and >> markes as trashed in the cur/inbox directory on the server (STa >> flag in the file name). >> >> My horde webmail then displays this messages correctly as trashed >> in the inbox. However, I want the message to be gone from the >> inbox. >> >> Quitting Mac Mail deletes it in the inbox reliably. >> >> Is there any IMAP setting for dovecot to get move, and not copy >> and mark as trashed behavior? >>