No response on another rails3 post (rails3 finders, rails3 gure''s and MVC police), but I''ll try another one. I added a preference to a golf group score system that is similar to a USGA golf handicap. Lets say I have a table Rounds that contains the attributes "score" and "date" and some foreign keys. There are also some preferences in a Group table. I have a function in the model "compute_tee_quota" that calculates the quota (or handicap) based on records in Round. In English what needs to be accomplished is: get the last 20 rounds for a member (or less if not 20) get the maximum date from that selection (last_played) order the selection by score DESC and limit the selection to 10 (best 10 scores - or less) reorder that selection by date DESC do some calculation and return the quota, last played and array of last 10 scores Rails3 finders can''t be chained because of the three orders. Chaining them results in order date DESC, order score DESC, order date DESC My kludge is: therounds = Round.where(:member_id => self.id, :tee_id => tee).order("date DESC").limit(group.round_limit) last_played = therounds.size > 0 ? therounds.first.date : nil theroundids = therounds.select(:id).all therounds = Round.where("id in (?)",theroundids).order("points_pulled DESC").limit((group.quota_limit + 1)) theroundids = therounds.select(:id).all therounds = Round.where("id in (?)",theroundids).order("date DESC") do the calculations This works, but maybe there is a better way? The last order is to get a list of scores used + 1 that shows what will be dropped off the next time a higher score is entered. Steve Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.