Subject says it all. jan_drake-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Philip Hallstrom
2010-Jun-17 23:24 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Jan Drake wrote:> Subject says it all. jan_drake-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.orgNo... it doesn''t... :-) Company? Location? On-site or telecommute? etc... -philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Michael Pavling
2010-Jun-18 07:41 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On 18 June 2010 00:24, Philip Hallstrom <philip-LSG90OXdqQE@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Jan Drake wrote: > >> Subject says it all. jan_drake-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org > > No... it doesn''t... :-) > > Company? Location? On-site or telecommute? etc...... salary? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Rob Biedenharn
2010-Jun-18 13:29 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On Jun 18, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Michael Pavling wrote:> On 18 June 2010 00:24, Philip Hallstrom <philip-LSG90OXdqQE@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Jan Drake wrote: >> >>> Subject says it all. jan_drake-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org >> >> No... it doesn''t... :-) >> >> Company? Location? On-site or telecommute? etc... > > ... salary?Perhaps the OP just forgot the ''?'' on the subject and is the one looking for work. After all, a company wouldn''t use a @hotmail.com address, right? ;-) -Rob Rob Biedenharn http://agileconsultingllc.com Rob-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org http://gaslightsoftware.com rab-/VpnD74mH8+00s0LW7PaslaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Fernando Brito
2010-Jun-18 14:53 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
It depends... what if he is calling you to work at Hotmail (Microsoft)? :P -- Fernando Brito On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Rob Biedenharn <Rob-GBZH0y1GwQfnZcttdmLDtcI/UQi/AW5J@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Perhaps the OP just forgot the ''?'' on the subject and is the one looking > for work. After all, a company wouldn''t use a @hotmail.com address, right? > ;-) >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Amala Singh
2010-Jun-18 15:07 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
Why ROR developer with CSS skill? CSS web designing and JQuery front end skill is a completely different skill from Programming skill. On 18 June 2010 15:53, Fernando Brito <email-7WGqr3rU1tXSv/CSzVJHWQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It depends... what if he is calling you to work at Hotmail (Microsoft)? :P > > -- > Fernando Brito > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Rob Biedenharn < > Rob-GBZH0y1GwQfnZcttdmLDtcI/UQi/AW5J@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> Perhaps the OP just forgot the ''?'' on the subject and is the one looking >> for work. After all, a company wouldn''t use a @hotmail.com address, >> right? ;-) >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >-- -- Nandri(Thanks in Tamil), Amala Singh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Rob Biedenharn
2010-Jun-18 15:16 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Fernando Brito wrote:> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Rob Biedenharn <Rob@agileconsultingllc.com > > wrote: > Perhaps the OP just forgot the ''?'' on the subject and is the one > looking for work. After all, a company wouldn''t use a @hotmail.com > address, right? ;-) > > It depends... what if he is calling you to work at Hotmail > (Microsoft)? :P > > -- > Fernando BritoTouché Rob Biedenharn http://agileconsultingllc.com Rob-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org http://gaslightsoftware.com rab-/VpnD74mH8+00s0LW7PaslaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Colin Law
2010-Jun-18 15:58 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On 18 June 2010 16:07, Amala Singh <amalasingh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Why ROR developer with CSS skill? CSS web designing and JQuery front end > skill is a completely different skill from Programming skill.I don''t think you can develop decent websites using RoR without both Ruby and CSS (and html and probably SQL) knowledge. Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Amala Singh
2010-Jun-18 16:05 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need to develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the Ruby language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the leadership dont know anything about ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers who are trained for that. Dont mix up. On 18 June 2010 16:58, Colin Law <clanlaw-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 18 June 2010 16:07, Amala Singh <amalasingh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Why ROR developer with CSS skill? CSS web designing and JQuery front end > > skill is a completely different skill from Programming skill. > > I don''t think you can develop decent websites using RoR without both > Ruby and CSS (and html and probably SQL) knowledge. > > Colin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- -- Nandri(Thanks in Tamil), Amala Singh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Marnen Laibow-Koser
2010-Jun-18 16:33 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills et
Amala Singh wrote:> I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need > to > develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. > > With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the > Ruby > language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on > implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. > > Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the > leadership > dont know anything about > ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers > who > are trained for that. > Dont mix up.No. You shouldn''t expect your Web developers to be greаt designers, but you absolutely should expect them to know CSS reasonably well. As for JavaScript, that''s programming, not design. It makes sense for Web developers to know it. [Note to Andreas: the spam filter on ruby-forum banned "greаt design". WTF?] Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Philipe Casarotte
2010-Jun-18 16:37 UTC
Re: Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills et
Hello I have interest in this job. http://www.linkedin.com/in/philipecasarotte On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org>wrote:> Amala Singh wrote: > > I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need > > to > > develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. > > > > With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the > > Ruby > > language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on > > implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. > > > > Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the > > leadership > > dont know anything about > > ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers > > who > > are trained for that. > > Dont mix up. > > No. You shouldn''t expect your Web developers to be greаt designers, but > you absolutely should expect them to know CSS reasonably well. As for > JavaScript, that''s programming, not design. It makes sense for Web > developers to know it. > > [Note to Andreas: the spam filter on ruby-forum banned "greаt design". > WTF?] > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koser > http://www.marnen.org > marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Colin Law
2010-Jun-18 16:40 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On 18 June 2010 17:05, Amala Singh <amalasingh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need to > develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. > > With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the Ruby > language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on > implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. > > Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the leadership > dont know anything about > ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers who > are trained for that. > Dont mix up.That is ok for developers with leadership staff, software engineers and web developers. I suspect (though I have no evidence) that the majority of RoR developers are programmers and web developers. Certainly this is true in many cases. In my case there is me to fulfill all roles. Again I suspect that I am not the only one in this situation. Actually I am not sure how it would work even with separate developers. Do the CSS/html experts do the views and the programmers do the models and controllers? I just don''t see how it would work. Presumably it does in your case however. How do you organise things? Colin> > On 18 June 2010 16:58, Colin Law <clanlaw-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> On 18 June 2010 16:07, Amala Singh <amalasingh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> > Why ROR developer with CSS skill? CSS web designing and JQuery front end >> > skill is a completely different skill from Programming skill. >> >> I don''t think you can develop decent websites using RoR without both >> Ruby and CSS (and html and probably SQL) knowledge. >> >> Colin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > -- > Nandri(Thanks in Tamil), > Amala Singh > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Hey Amala, You are right to some extent. But I strongly feel that knowing a language with CSS and HTML is not wrong and its not the pressure. A web developer should know all the things related to web development. Anf if anyone has knowledge of both front-end and functionality part then its really good for him/her as well as for the organization. Thanks, Nidhi On Jun 18, 10:05 am, Amala Singh <amalasi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need to > develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. > > With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the Ruby > language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on > implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. > > Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the leadership > dont know anything about > ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers who > are trained for that. > Dont mix up. > > On 18 June 2010 16:58, Colin Law <clan...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On 18 June 2010 16:07, Amala Singh <amalasi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Why ROR developer with CSS skill? CSS web designing and JQuery front end > > > skill is a completely different skill from Programming skill. > > > I don''t think you can develop decent websites using RoR without both > > Ruby and CSS (and html and probably SQL) knowledge. > > > Colin > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > > -- > -- > Nandri(Thanks in Tamil), > Amala Singh- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Greg Donald
2010-Jun-18 20:14 UTC
Re: Need Full-time Senior Ruby Dev with CSS/Jquery skills etc
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Amala Singh <amalasingh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I know that. But knowing everything is not an option. Then you dont need to > develop this in ROR. You can opt for any frameworks, PHP, Java etc. > > With ROR, the developers are able to focus on developing with just the Ruby > language. The complexities are put behind. ROR developers more focus on > implementing the functionality in a much faster manner. > > Forcing ROR developer to learn CSS is a hypocrazy. That means the leadership > dont know anything about > ROR technology. CSS and JQuery stuff should be given to web designers who > are trained for that. > Dont mix up.You are utterly hilarious. You''re describing a fantasy world. I''ve worked with dozens of good designers over the years and not a single one of them ever wanted to even see the code, much less develop it. People who can draw and have a flair for art are almost never interested in code. A web developer who doesn''t know CSS and Javascript isn''t a web developer. Leadership doesn''t EVER know very much about the actual technology, it''s the developers job to know and then advise them. Jesus, you''re clueless. The real world where real companies have real clients and real projects simply doesn''t work the way you describe. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.