Hi Continuing from "Moving to 3rd Rail" After being educated on the virtues of NBRubyIde, I was motivated to actually checked out code completion of the much maligned free Aptana radrails. This is the result 1. Type validates+ctrl-space 1.1 NBRubyIDE Result : validates_presence_of *attr_names 1.2 Aptana RadRails Result : validates_presence_of(attributes, :message => "message") 1.3 3rdRail Result : My test license has expired Cody, pse fill up the blank :-) So guys, which IDE does better code completion ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
We are not aware of any IDE that equals the code completion in Ruby In Steel. (both in terms of speed and accuracy) and we do test the others pretty regularly. We have written a great deal about the technology that lies behind this and we shall soon be releasing an updated evaluator''s guide so that you can test our code completion against any other IDE. More info here... http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Ruby-On-Rails-Code-Completion-The http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Ruby-On-Rails-IntelliSense-1 http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Evaluating-Ruby-IntelliSense best wishes Huw Collingbourne SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio http://www.sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Huw I wish I could test out your statement on code accuracy but unfortunately, I don''t use VS :-) Why don''t you post what RIS will output when one types validates+ctrl+space ? On Sep 26, 9:52 pm, Huw Collingbourne <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- s.net> wrote:> We are not aware of any IDE that equals the code completion in Ruby In > Steel. (both in terms of speed and accuracy) and we do test the others > pretty regularly. We have written a great deal about the technology that > lies behind this and we shall soon be releasing an updated evaluator''s > guide so that you can test our code completion against any other IDE. > > More info here...http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Ruby-On-Rails-Code-Completion-Thehttp://www.sapphiresteel.com/Ruby-On-Rails-IntelliSense-1http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Evaluating-Ruby-IntelliSense > > best wishes > Huw Collingbourne > > SapphireSteel Software > Ruby and Rails In Visual Studiohttp://www.sapphiresteel.com > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> Cody, pse fill up the blank :-) > > So guys, which IDE does better code completion ?I''ll go through the various editors and post actual example of code completion. I use code completion in the project commander when executing scripts, in the style-sheet editor to remember a specific selector, in the rhtml templates, and of course in the editor. There''ll be a follow-up posting soon containing the examples... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody Great ! I am looking forward to your post :-) On Sep 26, 10:33 pm, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> CCH wrote: > > Cody, pse fill up the blank :-) > > > So guys, which IDE does better code completion ? > > I''ll go through the various editors and post actual example of code > completion. I use code completion in the project commander when > executing scripts, in the style-sheet editor to remember a specific > selector, in the rhtml templates, and of course in the editor. > > There''ll be a follow-up posting soon containing the examples... > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> > Why don''t you post what RIS will output when one types > > validates+ctrl+space ?That all depends on the context and scope. We don''t use lookup lists. We actually analyze all the code, its inheretence tree, mixins, scope (class/instance), visibility (public/private) etc. That means that when you are in a class that descends from ActiveRecord::Base you will see a whole load of validation methods (too many for me to type in here) - but when you are in some other scope (where they are not valid) you won''t see any. The same goes for all classes, modules, methods etc. We never ever use lookup lists - absolutely not ever. We always analyze code in context. I should say that this applies to the new version of Ruby In Steel 1.1.5 (currently available as a final beta). Earlier versions did full analysis of Ruby but only partial analysis of Rails (for quite complex reasons, Rails introduces some special problems for code completion). In 1.1.5 we''ve introduced full code analysis into Rails. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio http://www.sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Huw The context is that if one selects validates_presence_of , what does RIS output ? On Sep 26, 10:53 pm, Huw Collingbourne <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- s.net> wrote:> CCH wrote: > > > Why don''t you post what RIS will output when one types > > > validates+ctrl+space ? > > That all depends on the context and scope. We don''t use lookup lists. We > actually analyze all the code, its inheretence tree, mixins, scope > (class/instance), visibility (public/private) etc. That means that when > you are in a class that descends from ActiveRecord::Base you will see a > whole load of validation methods (too many for me to type in here) - but > when you are in some other scope (where they are not valid) you won''t > see any. The same goes for all classes, modules, methods etc. We never > ever use lookup lists - absolutely not ever. We always analyze code in > context. > > I should say that this applies to the new version of Ruby In Steel 1.1.5 > (currently available as a final beta). Earlier versions did full > analysis of Ruby but only partial analysis of Rails (for quite complex > reasons, Rails introduces some special problems for code completion). In > 1.1.5 we''ve introduced full code analysis into Rails. > > best wishes > Huw > > SapphireSteel Software > Ruby and Rails In Visual Studiohttp://www.sapphiresteel.com > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> Hi Huw > > The context is that if one selects validates_presence_of , what does > RIS output ?I''m not quite sure what you mean by its "output". If you enter part of the name - e.g. val then press ctrl+space, you will get a list of methods (in scope) that begin with those letters. The RDOC for validates_presence_of is shown alongside it in a tooltip next to the code completion list or (more nicely formatted) in a docked RDOC window (this is the complete RDOC documentation which, for reference, I''ve put at the end of this post). The parameter list and class (here: attr_names:Object) can also be displayed in a hovering tooltip. Here the parameter type is Object because that is all that can be inferred from this method definition at edit time. In many cases, we can infer specific class types such as Array or String but it turns out that the code in the validates_preesence_of method does not provide that information. We also have a type assertion facility, however, whereby you can enter a comment over a method - e.g. #:return: => Array #:arg: anArg => MyClass This will then provide more detailed parameter info in tooltips than can be inferred from the code itself. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio http://www.sapphiresteel.com p.s. As promised, above, here''s our context-sensitive RDOC documentation for validates_presence_of... Validates that the specified attributes are not blank (as defined by Object#blank?). Happens by default on save. Example: class Person < ActiveRecord::Base validates_presence_of :first_name end The first_name attribute must be in the object and it cannot be blank. If you want to validate the presence of a boolean field (where the real values are true and false), you will want to use validates_inclusion_of :field_name, :in => [true, false] This is due to the way Object#blank? handles boolean values. false.blank? # => true Configuration options: * message - A custom error message (default is: "can''t be blank") * on - Specifies when this validation is active (default is :save, other options :create, :update) * if - Specifies a method, proc or string to call to determine if the validation should occur (e.g. :if => :allow_validation, or :if => Proc.new { |user| user.signup_step > 2 }). The method, proc or string should return or evaluate to a true or false value. Warning Validate the presence of the foreign key, not the instance variable itself. Do this: validate_presence_of :invoice_id Not this: validate_presence_of :invoice If you validate the presence of the associated object, you will get failures on saves when both the parent object and the child object are new. return: => Object arg: attr_names => Object -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Huw It would appear that all 3 IDEs displays a box for one to select the validation method of choice. However, it looks as if the resultant source codes are pasted differently ! For example, 1) using nbRubyIde, once selected, this will appear in your source codes validates_presence_of *attr_names 2) using Aptana RadRails , the following is pasted validates_presence_of(attributes, :message => "message") Can you see the difference ? What I am interested to know is the resultant code that will be pasted automatically by RIS :-) On Sep 27, 1:04 am, Huw Collingbourne <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- s.net> wrote:> CCH wrote: > > Hi Huw > > > The context is that if one selects validates_presence_of , what does > > RIS output ? > > I''m not quite sure what you mean by its "output". If you enter part of > the name - e.g. val then press ctrl+space, you will get a list of > methods (in scope) that begin with those letters. The RDOC for > validates_presence_of is shown alongside it in a tooltip next to the > code completion list or (more nicely formatted) in a docked RDOC window > (this is the complete RDOC documentation which, for reference, I''ve put > at the end of this post). > > The parameter list and class (here: attr_names:Object) can also be > displayed in a hovering tooltip. Here the parameter type is Object > because that is all that can be inferred from this method definition at > edit time. In many cases, we can infer specific class types such as > Array or String but it turns out that the code in the > validates_preesence_of method does not provide that information. We also > have a type assertion facility, however, whereby you can enter a comment > over a method - e.g. > > #:return: => Array > #:arg: anArg => MyClass > > This will then provide more detailed parameter info in tooltips than can > be inferred from the code itself. > > best wishes > Huw > > SapphireSteel Software > Ruby and Rails In Visual Studiohttp://www.sapphiresteel.com > > p.s. As promised, above, here''s our context-sensitive RDOC documentation > for validates_presence_of... > > Validates that the specified attributes are not blank (as defined by > Object#blank?). Happens by default on save. Example: > > class Person < ActiveRecord::Base > validates_presence_of :first_name > end > > The first_name attribute must be in the object and it cannot be blank. > > If you want to validate the presence of a boolean field (where the real > values are true and false), > you will want to use validates_inclusion_of :field_name, :in => [true, > false] > This is due to the way Object#blank? handles boolean values. > false.blank? # => true > > Configuration options: > * message - A custom error message (default is: "can''t be blank") > * on - Specifies when this validation is active (default is :save, other > options :create, :update) > * if - Specifies a method, proc or string to call to determine if the > validation should > occur (e.g. :if => :allow_validation, or :if => Proc.new { |user| > user.signup_step > 2 }). The > method, proc or string should return or evaluate to a true or false > value. > > Warning > Validate the presence of the foreign key, not the instance variable > itself. > Do this: > validate_presence_of :invoice_id > > Not this: > validate_presence_of :invoice > > If you validate the presence of the associated object, you will get > failures on saves when both the parent object and the child object are > new. > return: => Object > arg: attr_names => Object > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> What I am interested to know is the resultant code that will be pasted > automatically by RIS :-) >we insert: validates_presence_of We don''t insert any args by default. However, we display parametr-info tooltips showing the args with each arg (when more than 1) highlighted as it is entered by the user. I should probably point out that we also have auto-expand snippets (and a snippet editor) - these optionally have fill-in-the-gap insertion points so you could create a snippet which, when you enter vp (say) followed by a tab automatically expands to validates_presence_of attr_names Where attr_names would be highlighted ready to be edited. You can, of course, create much more complex snippets to so that when you edit an id (say a variable or parameter name) in one part of the snippet, the same id is automatically changed throughout the remainder of the snippet. In short then: code-completion (IntelliSense) is based on deep code-analysis and only enters valid code (with no ''place holders''); snippets are auto-expanding code blocks which may contain a number of place-holders that can be tabbed to and from and edited to change similarly named placed-holders throughout the rest of the snippet. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio http://www.sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> 1.3 3rdRail > Result : My test license has expired > > Cody, pse fill up the blank :-) > > So guys, which IDE does better code completion ?Ummm, you must not have registered your trial copy. You need to register it to use it for the 30 day trial. Your trial obviously isn''t expired since it was just released last week... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Folks
In terms of code completion 3rdRail uses type inference to determine
what is appropriate for completion options. In some cases we''re better
then others, in some cases we''re trailing a bit. NetBeans uses
hueristics, in my experience this is limited and can offer a lot of
incorrect choices.
For example, in netbeans completion on
require "^" # cursor at ^ character
should give a reasonable list of choices. We didn''t think this was a
key use case.
In a form_for block in rhtml though we offer all of the right choices,
including the symbols for the models created in the action, ids, etc.
NB offers \t and \r, which didn''t help me.
I did a side-by-side comparison of 3rdRail and NetBeans last week and in
my view our completion is much more useful than NB. I know I''m biased,
but that was what I saw. I''m sure you could find cases on both sides,
it''s software after all. Absolutes are rare.
There is a short video that shows a bit of code completion here:
http://dn.codegear.com/article/37034
Trial downloads here
http://cc.codegear.com/free/3rdrail
Joe
3rdRail Team
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Hi Joe Hi Joe Asking the same question, what does 3rdrail insert when validates_presence_of is selected ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Joe Nope, I was referring to the field test copy and not the trial copy. On Sep 27, 7:55 am, Joe Mcglynn <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> CCH wrote: > > 1.3 3rdRail > > Result : My test license has expired > > > Cody, pse fill up the blank :-) > > > So guys, which IDE does better code completion ? > > Ummm, you must not have registered your trial copy. > > You need to register it to use it for the 30 day trial. Your trial > obviously isn''t expired since it was just released last week... > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> Hi Joe > > Nope, I was referring to the field test copy and not the trial copy. > > On Sep 27, 7:55 am, Joe Mcglynn <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>Ahhh, the field test is over...that makes more sense. You can still get the trial of course... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 26, 5:18 pm, Joe Mcglynn <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi Folks > > In terms of code completion 3rdRail uses type inference to determine > what is appropriate for completion options. {...} NetBeans uses > hueristics, in my experience this is limited and can offer a lot of > incorrect choices.Just to be clear: NetBeans also uses type inference for completion options such that in many cases it gives accurate results. The validates-example listed earlier on this thread is one such example where it knows exactly what the inherited and mixed in methods are in the current context, and can complete accurately. However, it -also- relies on heuristics in cases where it''s not sure, such as a call to a method whose return type is unknown. I looked at the video you linked to and the narrator states that 3rdRail relies type inference and "Rails Conventions" - which sounds like heuristics to me. And in a dynamic language like Ruby I don''t think there''s any way to NOT use heuristics if you want to offer reasonable completion - with methods and classes being modified dynamically computing the correct set of methods etc. requires solving the Halting Problem. Anyway, NetBeans doesn''t do parameter completion right yet; I had started that work but disabled it until I could finish it as I got distracted with other tasks. This discussion has inspired me to go and look at that code again :) -- Tor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Tor> Anyway, NetBeans doesn''t do parameter completion right yet; I had > started that work but disabled it until I could finish it as I got > distracted with other tasks. This discussion has inspired me to go and > look at that code again :)cch: I started this discussion :-) It is great to know that you are so responsive. For the time being, it looks as if RadRails have the best code completion (for novices and newbies anyway) BTW, I have been trying nbRubyIDE(standalone) on and off and one concern of mine is starting speed and indexing of project. I have perhaps 10 projects (each with perhaps 50 controllers or more) in the nRubyIDE. It does take quite a bit of time to start up. Is there anything that I can do on my end.> > -- Tor--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>>>From Tor > Just to be clear: NetBeans also uses type inference for completion > options such that in many cases it gives accurate results. The > validates-example listed earlier on this thread is one such example > where it knows exactly what the inherited and mixed in methods are in > the current context, and can complete accurately.Hi Tor, Thanks for the clarification, I have to admit my knowledge of the inner workings of NB is second hand. Joe --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Joe Since there was no answer forthcoming from you as to what was inserted on code completing validate, I decided to download the Trial. Just wasted 1 hour to download the Trial just to get this message 3rd Rail Trial License , O (days) left on trail What is this ? Wasn''t 3rdRail just launched on 17th Sept ????> > On Sep 27, 7:55 am, Joe Mcglynn <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > > Ahhh, the field test is over...that makes more sense. You can still get > the trial of course...--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> Hi Joe > > Since there was no answer forthcoming from you as to what was inserted > on code completing validate, I decided to download the Trial. > > Just wasted 1 hour to download the Trial just to get this message > 3rd Rail Trial License , O (days) left on trail > > What is this ? Wasn''t 3rdRail just launched on 17th Sept ???? > > >Do you need to activate the trial on CodeGear''s website? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Anthony Thanx !> Do you need to activate the trial on CodeGear''s website?--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi The result is out for code completion of a simple typing of validates+ctrl_space 1.1 NBRubyIDE Result : validates_presence_of *attr_names 1.2 Aptana RadRails Result : validates_presence_of(attributes, :message => "message") 1.3 Ruby in Steel Result : validates_presence_of 1.4 3rdRail Result : validates_presence_of CONCLUSION : So seemingly, Aptana RadRails has the most useful code completion for this simple test. To be fair, I have seen a Video cast of Shelby of CodeGear showing impressive code completion on a migration file. In addition, Tor of netbeans had already promised to look into improving the completion code for my random example. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH, on the download page it has instructions for requesting a key, you do need to register it. On Sep 28, 1:28 am, Anthony Richardson <anth...-fLWHnXb90il4ktuDPxIMMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> CCH wrote:> > What is this ? Wasn''t 3rdRail just launched on 17th Sept ???? > > Do you need to activate the trial on CodeGear''s website?--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> CONCLUSION : > So seemingly, Aptana RadRails has the most useful code completion for > this simple test. > > To be fair, I have seen a Video cast of Shelby of CodeGear showing > impressive code completion on a migration file. > In addition, Tor of netbeans had already promised to look into > improving the completion code for my random example.CCH, Like I''ve said, code completion is much more complex than this, you can''t select one scenario to judge all IDEs. Each has it''s strengths and weaknesses. I can pick out an example that makes NetBeans look great or one that makes 3rdRail The Ruler. This is why I haven''t been pasting specific examples here. No one wants this to become a relegious war, arguing one discrete example against the other. Two things that would be more productive IMO: 1. If you find shortcomings in a tool report them to the folks that make the tool so they can make it better. 2. If you really want to compare code completion, put together a comprehensive matrix of places where completion should exist (types of files, types of code fragments, different kind of syntax errors the completion should recover from) and what choices should be provided and do a complete comparison. This would show intersections for different situations (methods defined on a parent class, methods defined in the current class, dynamic methods provided by the framework, dynamic methods provided by user code, for a simple example) and what would be provided there (paramater arity, paramater types, locally-defined paramater choices, paramater choices that are made available by the framework, method calls that return the type represented by the paramater...etc) Then users can look at this and decide which tool best meets their needs. Just my two cents. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
There seems to be a confusion with what we all mean by ''code completion''. Joe, Tor and I are talking about what is called (in the Microsoft world), ''IntelliSense'' - that is, code compeltion lists which provide ''suggestions'' of code (such as methods) which are appropriate in a given context/scope. This is what we mean when discussing code completion in 3rd Rail, NetBeans and Ruby in Steel. The example that''s been quoted in favour of RADRails (that is, insertion of validates_presence_of with extra args shown) is more like what we would call ''snippets'' in Ruby In Steel and which other IDEs may call templates (though similar functionality might also be programmed as a macro). We can certainly do auto-expand snippets (and macros) with, optionally, editable ''fill in the gap'' placeholders for you to edit the argument lists. But that is a different feature from what Joe, Tor and I mean when we talk about code completion. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio http://www.sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Joe /Huw Of course, both of you are right. What I was trying to point out was that sweeping statements made by overzealous fans/developers etc of IDEs can easily be debunked ! IMHO, one should by all means trumpet the great features (eg, Project Commander in 3rd Rail) but not at the expense of condemning another with four-letter words. I believe, I have already made my point :-) The bottom line is that there must be healthy competition and IDE developers who do not wish to accept constructive criticism and improve will simply perish... TQ On Sep 28, 9:25 pm, Joe at CodeGear <jmcgl...-T8eQWhSUU4BWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > CONCLUSION : > > So seemingly, Aptana RadRails has the most useful code completion for > > this simple test. > > > To be fair, I have seen a Video cast of Shelby of CodeGear showing > > impressive code completion on a migration file. > > In addition, Tor of netbeans had already promised to look into > > improving the completion code for my random example. > > CCH, > > Like I''ve said, code completion is much more complex than this, you > can''t select one scenario to judge all IDEs. Each has it''s strengths > and weaknesses. I can pick out an example that makes NetBeans look > great or one that makes 3rdRail The Ruler. > > This is why I haven''t been pasting specific examples here. No one > wants this to become a relegious war, arguing one discrete example > against the other. > > Two things that would be more productive IMO: > > 1. If you find shortcomings in a tool report them to the folks that > make the tool so they can make it better. > > 2. If you really want to compare code completion, put together a > comprehensive matrix of places where completion should exist (types of > files, types of code fragments, different kind of syntax errors the > completion should recover from) and what choices should be provided > and do a complete comparison. This would show intersections for > different situations (methods defined on a parent class, methods > defined in the current class, dynamic methods provided by the > framework, dynamic methods provided by user code, for a simple > example) and what would be provided there (paramater arity, paramater > types, locally-defined paramater choices, paramater choices that are > made available by the framework, method calls that return the type > represented by the paramater...etc) > > Then users can look at this and decide which tool best meets their > needs. > > Just my two cents.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> 1.4 3rdRail > Result : > validates_presence_of > > CONCLUSION : > So seemingly, Aptana RadRails has the most useful code completion for > this simple test.CCH, What O/S are you running? On Windows XP, the following happens (I just tested this): validates_presence_of <ctrl-spacebar> ... :description ... :email ... :*other_attributes* ... find_all_by_description(description, *options) - ::User ... find_all_by_email(description, *options) - ::User ... find_all_by_*other_attr*(description, *options) - ::User -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Cody Skidmore wrote:> validates_presence_of <ctrl-spacebar> > ... :description > ... :email > ... :*other_attributes* > ... find_all_by_description(description, *options) - ::User > ... find_all_by_email(description, *options) - ::User > ... find_all_by_*other_attr*(description, *options) - ::UserWhen editing a stylsheet in 3rdRail, the following occurs: a { <ctrl-spacebar> *a whole list of sytle attributes* } select background-image a { background-image <ctrl-spacebar> *url("") *none *inherit } Having a unified editor where you don''t have to switch from one tool to another when editing code, style sheets, and templates is pretty cool. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody> > CCH, > > What O/S are you running? On Windows XP, the following happens (I just > tested this):cchL Windows XP Pro, SP2> > validates_presence_of <ctrl-spacebar> > ... :description > ... :email > ... :*other_attributes* > ... find_all_by_description(description, *options) - ::User > ... find_all_by_email(description, *options) - ::User > ... find_all_by_*other_attr*(description, *options) - ::Usercch: When I type validates+ctrl+spacebar in 3rdRail a dropdown list is shown and when I select validates_presence_of , validates_presence_of is inserted Radrails inserts validates_presence_of(attributes, :message => "message") which is clearly more appropriate :-) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Code Aptana Radrails have similar functionality, check it out.. On Sep 29, 3:30 am, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Cody Skidmore wrote: > > validates_presence_of <ctrl-spacebar> > > ... :description > > ... :email > > ... :*other_attributes* > > ... find_all_by_description(description, *options) - ::User > > ... find_all_by_email(description, *options) - ::User > > ... find_all_by_*other_attr*(description, *options) - ::User > > When editing a stylsheet in 3rdRail, the following occurs: > > a { > <ctrl-spacebar> > *a whole list of sytle attributes* > > } > > select background-image > > a { > background-image <ctrl-spacebar> > *url("") > *none > *inherit > > } > > Having a unified editor where you don''t have to switch from one tool to > another when editing code, style sheets, and templates is pretty cool. > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:> Hi Code > > Aptana Radrails have similar functionality, check it out.. > > On Sep 29, 3:30 am, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>I''m using RadRails since I can''t spring $2049 for TextMate (and accompanying Mac). I''ve also tested the "e" editor, and otherwise have used EditPlus. EditPlus doesn''t do code completion, but I find that it has better per-language (really per-file-extension) configuration options. Much like radRails, it has some capacity to capture console output from an external program, or just trigger another program altogether. In general, this is my editor of choice. FWIW, I just submitted an RHTML syntax file that you can download from the User Files section of editplus.com. RadRails is a nice balance of a compact work space, console/logger, and syntax hilighter. I also like its Auto-completion functionality, but it''s anywhere from complete OR consistent. And it''s preferences panel leaves much to be desired. Then again, it is still a beta release so you have to take some of those problems in context. I look forward to future releases. "e" was clunky IMO, and it was too dependent on Cygwin for my tastes (I like cygwin, but getting Ruby and Rails installed on it took some extra steps compared to Windows). I tried it for less than a day before coming across RadRails, so I can''t say too much more about it. However, since it uses the same auto-completion files as TextMate, it most likely has RadRails licked in that department. I can''t speak to any of the others that you tested. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Chris On Sep 29, 4:32 pm, Chris Bloom <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > RadRails is a nice balance of a compact work space, console/logger, and > syntax hilighter. I also like its Auto-completion functionality, but > it''s anywhere from complete OR consistent. And it''s preferences panel > leaves much to be desired. Then again, it is still a beta release so you > have to take some of those problems in context. I look forward to future > releases.cch: Pretty appropriate description of Aptana Radrails which has worked for me thus far. FYI, they have in mind a Project Commander functionality in future... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:32:39 +0200, Chris Bloom wrote:> "e" was clunky IMO, and it was too dependent on Cygwin for my tastes (I > like cygwin, but getting Ruby and Rails installed on it took some extra > steps compared to Windows). I tried it for less than a day before coming > across RadRails, so I can''t say too much more about it. However, since > it uses the same auto-completion files as TextMate, it most likely has > RadRails licked in that department."e" is a nice idea, but unfortunately it''s open-source-alpha quality with closed-source-1.0 development; you have to pay, there''s only one guy writing it, and it''s really really slow and buggy right now. Many basic things don''t work, like HOME and END keys. It also takes about 5 seconds just to launch on my dual-3GHz PC. There''s also a newcomer Windows TextMate clone, InType, but it''s in fairly early days as well, and considering he''s not going the cygwin route, I imagine most TextMate bundles will need heavy hacking to work in InType. -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 28, 11:58 pm, CCH <c...-Z/Eug3sLCsSPzdAsCNHSEg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> cch: When I type validates+ctrl+spacebar in 3rdRail > a dropdown list is shown and when I select validates_presence_of , > validates_presence_of is inserted > > Radrails inserts > > validates_presence_of(attributes, :message => "message") > > which is clearly more appropriate :-)As Huw explained yesterday, you''re talking about a different feature - code template insertion (aka "snippets" in textmate). In Aptana, try typing "validates"+ctrl+space in ANY file (not just a model file) and it will offer the exact same thing. I think all the other IDEs being discussed here offer the same feature. Code snippets weren''t showing up in code completion in NB6 beta1 but it''s there in the dailys - see this screenshot: http://blogs.sun.com/tor/resource/codetemplate-completion.png I''m not trying to put down Aptana in any way, but since you started this thread comparing "code completion" among the IDEs and since you have several times now implied that Aptana has the best code completion, I felt it important to point out that your comparison is unfair. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Thor Of course, all 3 you are right. Like I said earlier, what I was trying to point out was that sweeping statements made by overzealous fans/developers etc of IDEs can easily be debunked ! IMHO, one should by all means trumpet the great features (eg, Project Commander in 3rd Rail) but not at the expense of condemning another with four-letter words. I believe, I have already made my point :-) The bottom line is that there must be healthy competition and IDE developers who do not wish to accept constructive criticism and improve will simply perish...> Code snippets weren''t showing > up in code completion in NB6 beta1 but it''s there in the dailys - see > this screenshot:http://blogs.sun.com/tor/resource/codetemplate-completion.pngcch: BTW, I have just downloaded the latest hudson 4289 and validates+ctrl+space still inserts validates_presence_of *attr_names Over to you... BTW, at first glance , l think your css editor is the best. Do you have a google group or similar to post bugs comments already discovered ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 29, 9:09 am, CCH <c...-Z/Eug3sLCsSPzdAsCNHSEg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> cch: > BTW, I have just downloaded the latest hudson 4289 and > > validates+ctrl+space still inserts > > validates_presence_of *attr_names > > Over to you...Ctrl+space shouldn''t insert anything. It should just pop up a list of alternatives. It''s up to you which item in the list you choose. If you choose the above method, then yes, it will insert the above signature (which matches the definition in the Rails code for the validates_presence_of method, but yes, it should be smarter here and offer better parameter items, which soon it will ;-) If you on the other hand choose some of the code templates listed below (different icon, see the earlier screenshot I listed) then it will insert the corresponding code template. A faster way than typing out the prefix and hitting ctrl-space is to just type the trigger name (listed on the right in the completion popup). E.g. for validates presence of, type just "vp"+tab, or "vpif"+tab. Yes, these are the TextMate snippet names. Unfortunately, 15 of the snippets were truncated at import (tracked by NetBeans issue 117104), and "vp" is one of them - which is why it doesn''t insert a hash value yet. More details about the code snippets are listed here: http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyCodeTemplates .> Do you have a google group or similar to post bugs comments already > discovered ?The various feedback channels (issue tracker, mailing lists, forums, etc) are listed here: http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyFeedback In particular, a forum interface to our "dev" and "users" mailing lists is available here: http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-Ruby-f27019.html -- Tor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Tor On Sep 30, 12:54 am, Tor Norbye <tor.nor...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Sep 29, 9:09 am, CCH <c...-Z/Eug3sLCsSPzdAsCNHSEg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > cch: > > BTW, I have just downloaded the latest hudson 4289 and > > > validates+ctrl+space still inserts > > > validates_presence_of *attr_names > > > Over to you... > > Ctrl+space shouldn''t insert anything. It should just pop up a list of > alternatives. It''s up to you which item in the list you choose.cch: Sorry, I mean Ctrl+space and then slect :-)> > If you choose the above method, then yes, it will insert the above > signature (which matches the definition in the Rails code for the > validates_presence_of method, but yes, it should be smarter here and > offer better parameter items, which soon it will ;-)cch: This feature is very useful to newcomers to RoR> > If you on the other hand choose some of the code templates listed > below (different icon, see the earlier screenshot I listed) then it > will insert the corresponding code template.cch: Noted> > A faster way than typing out the prefix and hitting ctrl-space is to > just type the trigger name (listed on the right in the completion > popup). E.g. for validates presence of, type just "vp"+tab, or > "vpif"+tab. Yes, these are the TextMate snippet names.cch: Cool Tip ! I''ll definitely check this out, Nbrubyide/hudson is getting better and better.> Unfortunately, 15 of the snippets were truncated at import (tracked by > NetBeans issue 117104), and "vp" is one of them - which is why it > doesn''t insert a hash value yet. More details about the code snippets > are listed here:http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyCodeTemplates > . > > > Do you have a google group or similar to post bugs comments already > > discovered ? > > The various feedback channels (issue tracker, mailing lists, forums, > etc) are listed here:http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyFeedback > > In particular, a forum interface to our "dev" and "users" mailing > lists is available here:http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-Ruby-f27019.htmlcch: TQ BTW, there is a bug in your gem manager when there is a need to choose 1/2/3/4 I was trying to install fast debugger and chooing 2 just hangs The SVN integration is really cool but I noticed that one can check out a project say crm4web into different folders and both folders will appear in the Project View as crm4web which is pretty confusing ...> > -- Tor--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 29, 9:54 am, Tor Norbye <tor.nor...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> "yes, it should be smarter here and offer better parameter items, which soon it will"Just an update on this older thread, since I promised it would work better soon: http://blogs.sun.com/tor/entry/ruby_screenshot_of_the_week20 -- Tor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---