Rails - Mar 2007 - Rolling with Rails, ( Revisited version ) question ?

Hi everyone,

I recently noticed that the Rolling with Rails tutorial has had an
update...

It all went well, but at the stage where you delete either of the
files ''category.rhtml'' or ''recipe.rhtml''
& rename the remaining one to
application.rhtml I get stuck.

The recipie link shows OK so is clearly using the application.html but
when I click on the new footer link ''Show all categories'' I
get an
error:
No such file or directory - C:/Documents and Settings/dave/user/
cookbook2/config/../app/views/layouts/category.rhtml

( If I put the category.rhtml file back - I don''t get the error )

But the tutorial said that it will default to application.rhtml if
category.rhtml does not exist ?

I''m sure I''ve followed every step, but it''s got me
stumped...

TIA - Dave Porter


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Hi Dave,

Hope you don''t mind a little probing.  Never seen this one before.

Davo wrote:
> The recipie link shows OK so is clearly using the application.html
The file should be named with an extension of ''.rhtml'', not
''.html''.  Is
that just a typo above?

When you say ''the recipie link shows OK'' do you mean the new
footer shows up
and clicking the ''Show all recipes" link works ok?  But clicking
the ''Show
all categories'' throws an error?

Also, would you double-check that application.rhtml is the only file in the 
app\views\layouts directory?  It should be.
> But the tutorial said that it will default to application.rhtml
> if category.rhtml does not exist ?
It will if it can find a file named application.rhtml in the 
app\views\layouts directory.

Let us know on the questions above.

Best regards,
Bill 



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Hi Bill,

Thanks for responding...

Yes the html was just a typo and Yes application.rhtml does exists and
Yes the recipe shows OK and the links in the footer are there and the
recipe ones work but the category one ( show all categories ) throws
the error:

Template is missing
Missing layout C:/Documents and Settings/dave/user/cookbook2/config/../
app/views/layouts/category.rhtml

regards, Dave


On Mar 2, 9:19 am, "Bill Walton"
<bill.wal...-xwVYE8SWAR3R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Hope you don''t mind a little probing.  Never seen this one before.
>
> Davo wrote:
> > The recipie link shows OK so is clearly using the application.html
>
> The file should be named with an extension of ''.rhtml'',
not ''.html''.  Is
> that just a typo above?
>
> When you say ''the recipie link shows OK'' do you mean the
new footer shows up
> and clicking the ''Show all recipes" link works ok?  But
clicking the ''Show
> all categories'' throws an error?
>
> Also, would you double-check that application.rhtml is the only file in the
> app\views\layouts directory?  It should be.
>
> > But the tutorial said that it will default to application.rhtml
> > if category.rhtml does not exist ?
>
> It will if it can find a file named application.rhtml in the
> app\views\layouts directory.
>
> Let us know on the questions above.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill

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Hi Bill ( and anyone interested ! )

I noticed you said application.rhtml should be the only file in
layouts folder.

I did have two other files there:
category.old &
application.rhtml.bak

So I moved them out of there & guess what - it now works OK.

I would love to hear an explanation on this - I would have assumed
that because the application.rhtml was the only rhtml file there, that
should have been sufficient, but clearly not !

regards, Dave


On Mar 2, 10:26 am, "Davo"
<Dave.SouthPe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for responding...
>
> Yes the html was just a typo and Yes application.rhtml does exists and
> Yes the recipe shows OK and the links in the footer are there and the
> recipe ones work but the category one ( show all categories ) throws
> the error:
>
> Template is missing
> Missing layout C:/Documents and Settings/dave/user/cookbook2/config/../
> app/views/layouts/category.rhtml
>
> regards, Dave
>
> On Mar 2, 9:19 am, "Bill Walton"
<bill.wal...-xwVYE8SWAR3R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
>
> > Hope you don''t mind a little probing.  Never seen this one
before.
>
> > Davo wrote:
> > > The recipie link shows OK so is clearly using the
application.html
>
> > The file should be named with an extension of
''.rhtml'', not ''.html''.  Is
> > that just a typo above?
>
> > When you say ''the recipie link shows OK'' do you mean
the new footer shows up
> > and clicking the ''Show all recipes" link works ok?  But
clicking the ''Show
> > all categories'' throws an error?
>
> > Also, would you double-check that application.rhtml is the only file
in the
> > app\views\layouts directory?  It should be.
>
> > > But the tutorial said that it will default to application.rhtml
> > > if category.rhtml does not exist ?
>
> > It will if it can find a file named application.rhtml in the
> > app\views\layouts directory.
>
> > Let us know on the questions above.
>
> > Best regards,
> > Bill

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Hi Dave.

Davo wrote:
> I noticed you said application.rhtml should be the
> only file in layouts folder.
>
> I did have two other files there:
> category.old &
> application.rhtml.bak
This info is key.  Thank you for documenting it.  More below.
> So I moved them out of there & guess what - it now
> works OK.
>
> I would love to hear an explanation on this - I would
> have assumed that because the application.rhtml was
> the only rhtml file there, that should have been sufficient,
> but clearly not !
I''ve been thinking about this for a couple of hours now and I honestly
don''t
know yet whether to call it a bug in Rails or something we just need to warn 
folks about.  Here''s my thinking so far.  I''d appreciate any
input.

1) link_to takes a url as its target.
2) a url is a path into a web domain that ultimately resolves to a file path 
on a server
3) a url is parsed right to left
4) a file path is parsed left to right

So the question, I think, is:  what can we reliably use to trigger the 
switch in a parser from a url-based approach to a file-system-based 
approach?

The double dot notation you used on the file name is now perfectly valid 
file path notation for Windows file systems.  It''s also perfectly valid
url
notation.  The parser has to decide where the file path ends and the url 
starts.

My gut feel at this point is that this should be called a Rails
''bug''.
OTOH, it could just as easily be called an inescapable artifact of the 
transition we''re in the middle of from a ''local'' file
system based model to
a web based model of data locations.  I never thought about this before but 
I''m not sure there''s really any reliable way to tell the
difference.  I need
some sleep, more thought, and some other''s input before I''d be
ready to take
a position.  In the meantime, I think you''d definitely be doing the
Rails
community a service by updating the O''Reilly site with your findings.

Thanks for the thought-provoking find.

Best regards,
Bill

P.S.  I''m glad you got un-stuck too.  Welcome aboard! 



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Hi Bill,

Thank you for your thoughts...

& yes I have already asked the same questions on the tutorial, but
will post a follow up with the findings...

regards, Dave


On Mar 2, 1:14 pm, "Bill Walton"
<bill.wal...-xwVYE8SWAR3R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Hi Dave.
>
> Davo wrote:
> > I noticed you said application.rhtml should be the
> > only file in layouts folder.
>
> > I did have two other files there:
> > category.old &
> > application.rhtml.bak
>
> This info is key.  Thank you for documenting it.  More below.
>
> > So I moved them out of there & guess what - it now
> > works OK.
>
> > I would love to hear an explanation on this - I would
> > have assumed that because the application.rhtml was
> > the only rhtml file there, that should have been sufficient,
> > but clearly not !
>
> I''ve been thinking about this for a couple of hours now and I
honestly don''t
> know yet whether to call it a bug in Rails or something we just need to
warn
> folks about.  Here''s my thinking so far.  I''d appreciate
any input.
>
> 1) link_to takes a url as its target.
> 2) a url is a path into a web domain that ultimately resolves to a file
path
> on a server
> 3) a url is parsed right to left
> 4) a file path is parsed left to right
>
> So the question, I think, is:  what can we reliably use to trigger the
> switch in a parser from a url-based approach to a file-system-based
> approach?
>
> The double dot notation you used on the file name is now perfectly valid
> file path notation for Windows file systems.  It''s also perfectly
valid url
> notation.  The parser has to decide where the file path ends and the url
> starts.
>
> My gut feel at this point is that this should be called a Rails
''bug''.
> OTOH, it could just as easily be called an inescapable artifact of the
> transition we''re in the middle of from a ''local''
file system based model to
> a web based model of data locations.  I never thought about this before but
> I''m not sure there''s really any reliable way to tell the
difference.  I need
> some sleep, more thought, and some other''s input before
I''d be ready to take
> a position.  In the meantime, I think you''d definitely be doing
the Rails
> community a service by updating the O''Reilly site with your
findings.
>
> Thanks for the thought-provoking find.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill
>
> P.S.  I''m glad you got un-stuck too.  Welcome aboard!

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