On Oct 4, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Duane Johnson wrote:> Hi all, > > I tend to tap in to this community for wisdom when I''m looking for new > tools because of the quality of development that goes on here. So > here goes another question regarding best practices and tools. > > When I need to wireframe some new application, my current tool of > choice is called a "napkin". However, I realize that > napkins-as-wireframe-media may be a bit out-dated, and since I''d like > to have the latest in cool technology, are there any recommendations > for wireframing software?I''ve upgraded from "napkin" to "legal pad", myself.> > I''ve recently learned about the Fusebox Wireframing Tool/GUI [1], > however I don''t have ColdFusion or Fusebox (and besides, I''d rather > use a Rails app ;) I''m running on Mac OS X for the most part, so > web-apps or Mac software pointers would especially be appreciated. >I wrote a few apps with PHP/Fusebox (vomit) and used a wireframe tool written in PHP. I don''t have a link handy, but it used to be linked off the PHP/FB site somewhere. At the time I had plans to write my own because the tool wasn''t particularly amazing, but never got around to it. It would be an evening project in Rails to come up with something really nice that functioned similar to the CF tools, I think.> Regards, > Duane Johnson > (canadaduane) > > [1] > http://www.bjork.net/index.cfm? > fuseaction=content.display&page=wireframetool-- Scott Barron Lunchbox Software http://lunchboxsoftware.com http://lunchroom.lunchboxsoftware.com http://rubyi.st
Scott Barron wrote:> > > I''ve upgraded from "napkin" to "legal pad", myself. >I''m on 3x5 note cards. Usually one per page. They''re easy to throw away and rewrite. Best thing I''ve found. But I''m open to suggestions too. --Steve
Personally I use Illustrator (but there''s always Inkscape - http://inkscape.org/), this one also intrigued me - http://dub.washington.edu/denim/. Napkin/Notecard/Legal Pad is excellent for early wireframing, as things get finer-grained I prefer Illustrator so I can move/replicate elements as well as create a master template and see what problems will occur across pages. -warner On 10/4/05, Stephen Waits <steve-g8GSkY9QmIteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Scott Barron wrote: > > > > > > I''ve upgraded from "napkin" to "legal pad", myself. > > > > I''m on 3x5 note cards. Usually one per page. They''re easy to throw > away and rewrite. Best thing I''ve found. But I''m open to suggestions too. > > --Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit ago (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I recommend Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments at: http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for-making-wireframes/ -- Garrick. On 10/4/05, Warner Onstine <warnero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Personally I use Illustrator (but there''s always Inkscape - > http://inkscape.org/), this one also intrigued me - > http://dub.washington.edu/denim/. > > Napkin/Notecard/Legal Pad is excellent for early wireframing, as things get > finer-grained I prefer Illustrator so I can move/replicate elements as well > as create a master template and see what problems will occur across pages. > > -warner > > > On 10/4/05, Stephen Waits <steve-g8GSkY9QmIteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Scott Barron wrote: > > > > > > > > > I''ve upgraded from "napkin" to "legal pad", myself. > > > > > > > I''m on 3x5 note cards. Usually one per page. They''re easy to throw > > away and rewrite. Best thing I''ve found. But I''m open to suggestions > too. > > > > --Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- Garrick Van Buren ---------------------------------------------------- garrick.vanburen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org ph: 612 325 9110 ----------------------------------------------------- First Crack Podcast http://firstcrackpodcast.com/ gFeed - all my writing in one place http://garrickvanburen.com/gfeed/ PodcastMN - The Sound of Minnesota http://podcastmn.com/ Garrick''s Podcast Picks http://gigadial.com/public/station/9454
Hi all, I tend to tap in to this community for wisdom when I''m looking for new tools because of the quality of development that goes on here. So here goes another question regarding best practices and tools. When I need to wireframe some new application, my current tool of choice is called a "napkin". However, I realize that napkins-as- wireframe-media may be a bit out-dated, and since I''d like to have the latest in cool technology, are there any recommendations for wireframing software? I''ve recently learned about the Fusebox Wireframing Tool/GUI [1], however I don''t have ColdFusion or Fusebox (and besides, I''d rather use a Rails app ;) I''m running on Mac OS X for the most part, so web- apps or Mac software pointers would especially be appreciated. Regards, Duane Johnson (canadaduane) [1] http://www.bjork.net/index.cfm? fuseaction=content.display&page=wireframetool
Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov
2005-Oct-04 21:10 UTC
Re: [OT] Any recommended wireframing tools?
On 4-okt-2005, at 20:29, Garrick Van Buren wrote:> I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit ago > (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I recommend > Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments > at: > > http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- > making-wireframes/ >Well, what I found works well: 1) Paper as long as it can (everything crashes and burns when I start to hit buttons too early) 2) Alias SketchBook when you want "something like paper" but with erase and undo. But it basically requires a tablet (something that a developer would likely not have) 3) Graffle - good one, I like it for diagrams and such but not quite for the wireframes (mainly because resizing widgets is a pain) 4) InDesign - when I need lots of them, started trying it out recently and it works quite well (but also not for widgets). There is one option I didn''t try though - and this is - maybe you can just go and hit InterfaceBuilder open (ye did install all the 700 megs of them devtools when you were compiling tha'' fcgi_devkit las'' night, right? :-)) and start throwing widgets into the window, and then just pop a PDF screenshot of it. IB should be much better resizing them than any dedicated graphics package. -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
Warner Onstine wrote:> http://dub.washington.edu/denim/.Whoa.. that''s freaky cool. I''ll have to play with this tonight! --Steve
On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Garrick Van Buren wrote:> I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit ago > (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I recommend > Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments > at: > > http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- > making-wireframes/Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of the way it does layers. -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net
Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov
2005-Oct-06 12:03 UTC
Re: [OT] Any recommended wireframing tools?
On 6-okt-2005, at 7:14, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:> > On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Garrick Van Buren wrote: > > >> I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit >> ago >> (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I >> recommend >> Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments >> at: >> >> http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- >> making-wireframes/ >> > > Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia > Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used > Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of > the way it does layers.No, not because of that. Fireworks has 2 neat features. One is indispensable, the other is handy. The indispensable one is the fact thta you can disable anti-aliasing for any particular object. This is superlong overdue in Illustrator (as well as underlined text). The second is frames, which works somewhat like Layer Comps in the latest Photoshops. However, since Fireworks MX came along the program has been bastardized. It has become probably the Worst software done by Macromedia. Nothing (even Dreamweaver and Flash for the mac) reacts to user input so erratically, redraws panels so slowly and untimely, forget to redraw entire parts of the GUI etc. Can of bugs. I attribute it to the fact that Macromedia has outsourced all development about the moment they ha to carbonize. What we have since then is Flash (5x times slower than the PC version, both player and IDE), Drewamweaver (same), and buggy Fireworks. Hell, they had _broken scrolling with tablets_ in Fireworks and they still have it! How''s that for a graphic package??? And no hopes that Illustrator will solve it because it is developed by same people _over there_ (look at the About page). Of all the CS2 applications it is by far the worst and the buggiest. Disgusting. -- Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov
Well, since you are on the subject, and using tablets I think you should check out SketchBook Pro from Alias... They make some of the best software I''ve ever used. It''s not exactly the same as Denim but may help: http://www.alias.com/glb/eng/products-services/ product_details.jsp;jsessionid=U2N200WRZ10GZQCLCWSCM44AJMK0KJVC? productId=1900006 Luis Gómez ---------------------- Miami Beach, FL 33139 ---------------------- On Oct 6, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov wrote:> > On 6-okt-2005, at 7:14, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: > > >> >> On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Garrick Van Buren wrote: >> >> >> >>> I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little >>> bit ago >>> (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I >>> recommend >>> Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments >>> at: >>> >>> http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- >>> making-wireframes/ >>> >>> >> >> Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia >> Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used >> Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of >> the way it does layers. >> > > No, not because of that. > Fireworks has 2 neat features. One is indispensable, the other is > handy. > > The indispensable one is the fact thta you can disable anti- > aliasing for any particular object. This is superlong overdue in > Illustrator (as well as underlined text). > The second is frames, which works somewhat like Layer Comps in the > latest Photoshops. > > However, since Fireworks MX came along the program has been > bastardized. It has become probably the Worst software done by > Macromedia. Nothing (even Dreamweaver and Flash for the mac) reacts > to user input so erratically, redraws panels so slowly and > untimely, forget to redraw entire parts of the GUI etc. Can of bugs. > > I attribute it to the fact that Macromedia has outsourced all > development about the moment they ha to carbonize. What we have > since then is Flash (5x times slower than the PC version, both > player and IDE), Drewamweaver (same), and buggy Fireworks. Hell, > they had _broken scrolling with tablets_ in Fireworks and they > still have it! How''s that for a graphic package??? > > And no hopes that Illustrator will solve it because it is developed > by same people _over there_ (look at the About page). Of all the > CS2 applications it is by far the worst and the buggiest. > > Disgusting. > > -- > Julian "Julik" Tarkhanov > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Oct 6, 2005, at 5:03 AM, Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov wrote:> On 6-okt-2005, at 7:14, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: > > >> Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia >> Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used >> Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of >> the way it does layers. > > No, not because of that. > Fireworks has 2 neat features. One is indispensable, the other is > handy. > > The indispensable one is the fact thta you can disable anti- > aliasing for any particular object. This is superlong overdue in > Illustrator (as well as underlined text). > The second is frames, which works somewhat like Layer Comps in the > latest Photoshops.Frames. That was it. Frames.> However, since Fireworks MX came along the program has been > bastardized. It has become probably the Worst software done by > Macromedia. Nothing (even Dreamweaver and Flash for the mac) reacts > to user input so erratically, redraws panels so slowly and > untimely, forget to redraw entire parts of the GUI etc. Can of bugs. > > I attribute it to the fact that Macromedia has outsourced all > development about the moment they ha to carbonize.Gah.> And no hopes that Illustrator will solve it because it is developed > by same people _over there_ (look at the About page). Of all the > CS2 applications it is by far the worst and the buggiest.I haven''t upgraded to CS2 because of mentions of how broken it was.
Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
2005-Oct-06 22:16 UTC
Re: [OT] Any recommended wireframing tools?
On 10/6/05, Deirdre Saoirse Moen <deirdre-mzk6fgDMp2XR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > On Oct 6, 2005, at 5:03 AM, Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov wrote: > > > On 6-okt-2005, at 7:14, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: > > > > > >> Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia > >> Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used > >> Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of > >> the way it does layers. > > > > No, not because of that. > > Fireworks has 2 neat features. One is indispensable, the other is > > handy. > > > > The indispensable one is the fact thta you can disable anti- > > aliasing for any particular object. This is superlong overdue in > > Illustrator (as well as underlined text). > > The second is frames, which works somewhat like Layer Comps in the > > latest Photoshops. > > Frames. That was it. Frames. > > > However, since Fireworks MX came along the program has been > > bastardized. It has become probably the Worst software done by > > Macromedia. Nothing (even Dreamweaver and Flash for the mac) reacts > > to user input so erratically, redraws panels so slowly and > > untimely, forget to redraw entire parts of the GUI etc. Can of bugs. > > > > I attribute it to the fact that Macromedia has outsourced all > > development about the moment they ha to carbonize. > > Gah. > > > And no hopes that Illustrator will solve it because it is developed > > by same people _over there_ (look at the About page). Of all the > > CS2 applications it is by far the worst and the buggiest. > > I haven''t upgraded to CS2 because of mentions of how broken it was. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >Did I read the last few posts right? Macromedia and Adobe both severley trashed their Mac products by outsourcing their development? -- Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
I see nobody has mentioned Xara X1 which I use all the time for this, so I''ll add a mini review kinda in your style: Description: Cheaper and more user friendly ''Illustrator'' Strengths: Very fast, Great interface, Easy to learn, Cheaper than Illustrator or Freehand, Screen redraws / dragging is shown in real time Weaknesses: Windows only, Not used as much as any of the others, err.... John On 10/6/05, Deirdre Saoirse Moen <deirdre-mzk6fgDMp2XR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Garrick Van Buren wrote: > > > I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit ago > > (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I recommend > > Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments > > at: > > > > http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- > > making-wireframes/ > > Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia > Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used > Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of the > way it does layers. > > -- > _Deirdre http://deirdre.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Windows only: Axure RP http://www.axure.com/ /Boris _____ From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John Knott Sent: vrijdag 7 oktober 2005 11:42 To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails] [OT] Any recommended wireframing tools? I see nobody has mentioned Xara X1 which I use all the time for this, so I''ll add a mini review kinda in your style: Description: Cheaper and more user friendly ''Illustrator'' Strengths: Very fast, Great interface, Easy to learn, Cheaper than Illustrator or Freehand, Screen redraws / dragging is shown in real time Weaknesses: Windows only, Not used as much as any of the others, err.... John On 10/6/05, Deirdre Saoirse Moen <deirdre-mzk6fgDMp2XR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Garrick Van Buren wrote:> I did a write-up of all the wireframing tools I''ve used little bit ago > (from whiteboards to Powerpoint and Freehand). Ironically, I recommend > Ruby on Rails for wireframing - link to that article in the comments > at: > > http://mnteractive.com/archive/whats-the-best-application-for- > making-wireframes/Nearly half the designers at a recent conference used Macromedia Fireworks, which isn''t on your list. Virtually all the rest used Illustrator. One of the reasons people used Fireworks: because of the way it does layers. -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails <http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails> _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails