Hi, I've recently put a few of my tracks online (http://livenraw.npfdd.ch/ for those interested; it's a solo-rock-performance by me) and of course I've used Vorbis for this. Now I had several reports on the topic "How do I play these ogg-things on Windows?". I've linked to http://www.vorbis.com/ but apparently this is not easy enough. One of my friends even told me he tried a couple of players from the Software page but had no success. Not with media-player or Winamp2. And he's definately more into computers than the average user. No my question is: isn't there a simpler way to explain these people how to get Vorbis running on their computer? What page do you refer them to? The important part here is "simple". The best would probably be a very easy integration into MS media-player, but I've been reported trouble with the DS-Filters and they seem pretty outdated to me too. I think it's necessary to make it easy for beginners to play Vorbis files, which is apparently not the case at the moment. Not for the average windows user at least. -- Daniel -- Homepage: http://www.npfdd.ch/ -- Priority: A statement of the importance of a user or a program. Often expressed as a relative priority, indicating that the user doesn't care when the work is completed so long as he is treated less badly than someone else.
After looking at your site, I think you have a php problem. It looks like the download script you have going doesn't return the ogg files with .ogg extensions. Although it is correctly being reported as audio/x-ogg. Is there some reason you don't just put regular links to your files? If you want to track how many people download a file try a logger like Phlogger (www.phpee.com). I use it, it is great. You can see how I use it at my music site http://www.ellisfoundation.com/freemusic . The best way to allow people to stream music files, IMHO, is to make playlist files (.pls or .m3u) that reference the files you want to play. This is how the stream links are done on my site. The download links use the download logger from Phlogger. I do think there is some problem with the first file on your site, it was silent. The rest worked once I added the .ogg extension. I use Winamp 5 although Winamp 2 works great as well for Vorbis. I would say they are the best players for Win32. The Ogg Directshow Filters work fine if you want to play Vorbis files in Windows Media Player (why?) too. Paul Daniel Schregenberger wrote:>Hi, > >I've recently put a few of my tracks online (http://livenraw.npfdd.ch/ >for those interested; it's a solo-rock-performance by me) and of course >I've used Vorbis for this. >Now I had several reports on the topic "How do I play these ogg-things >on Windows?". I've linked to http://www.vorbis.com/ but apparently this >is not easy enough. >One of my friends even told me he tried a couple of players from the >Software page but had no success. Not with media-player or Winamp2. And >he's definately more into computers than the average user. > >No my question is: isn't there a simpler way to explain these people how >to get Vorbis running on their computer? >What page do you refer them to? > >The important part here is "simple". The best would probably be a very >easy integration into MS media-player, but I've been reported trouble >with the DS-Filters and they seem pretty outdated to me too. > >I think it's necessary to make it easy for beginners to play Vorbis >files, which is apparently not the case at the moment. Not for the >average windows user at least. > >-- Daniel > > >-- >Homepage: http://www.npfdd.ch/ >-- >Priority: A statement of the importance of a user or a program. Often >expressed as a relative priority, indicating that the user doesn't care >when the work is completed so long as he is treated less badly than >someone else. > >_______________________________________________ >Vorbis mailing list >Vorbis@xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/vorbis > > > >
On Mit, 2005-01-19 at 10:37 -0800, Paul Ellis wrote:> After looking at your site, I think you have a php problem. It looks > like the download script you have going doesn't return the ogg files > with .ogg extensions. Although it is correctly being reported as > audio/x-ogg. Is there some reason you don't just put regular links to > your files? If you want to track how many people download a file try a > logger like Phlogger (www.phpee.com). I use it, it is great. You can > see how I use it at my music siteOh, right. I didn't think about that anymore. That was an experiment on tracking downloads. The php script returns a document of type audio/x-ogg and suggests a filename. It works here (correct extensions). But it might be better if I just use redirects. Thanks for pointing this out, I've completely forgotten this.> http://www.ellisfoundation.com/freemusic . The best way to allow people > to stream music files, IMHO, is to make playlist files (.pls or .m3u) > that reference the files you want to play. This is how the stream links > are done on my site. The download links use the download logger from > Phlogger. > > I do think there is some problem with the first file on your site, it > was silent. The rest worked once I added the .ogg extension. I useHehe. That is intended :) It is a Cover and I don't have the permission from the original author to publish it. As a little joke I silenced everything but my speeches and the noise of the crowd on the 3 Cover tracks. Unfortunately the beginning of the show was not recorded, so the introductory speech is missing and track 1 starts with silence.> Winamp 5 although Winamp 2 works great as well for Vorbis. I would say > they are the best players for Win32. The Ogg Directshow Filters work > fine if you want to play Vorbis files in Windows Media Player (why?) too.I'll tell him to try again when I changed the PHP. Thanks for your help! -- Daniel -- Homepage: http://www.npfdd.ch/ -- I love ROCK 'N ROLL! I memorized the all WORDS to "WIPE-OUT" in 1965!!
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:29:46 +0100, Daniel Schregenberger <npfdd@gmx.net> wrote:> Hi, > > I've recently put a few of my tracks online (http://livenraw.npfdd.ch/ > for those interested; it's a solo-rock-performance by me) and of course > I've used Vorbis for this. > Now I had several reports on the topic "How do I play these ogg-things > on Windows?". I've linked to http://www.vorbis.com/ but apparently this > is not easy enough. > One of my friends even told me he tried a couple of players from the > Software page but had no success. Not with media-player or Winamp2. And > he's definately more into computers than the average user. > > No my question is: isn't there a simpler way to explain these people how > to get Vorbis running on their computer? > What page do you refer them to?The Wiki page for software players is probably the best/easiest place to give them a wide selection (though for my part, I typically point users directly to specific players, such as winamp).> > The important part here is "simple". The best would probably be a very > easy integration into MS media-player, but I've been reported trouble > with the DS-Filters and they seem pretty outdated to me too.Which DS filters have you tried? The only ones we'd recommend (http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/) have a release only just over a month old - hardly 'outdated'. These should work very well and reliably - if you have any problems with them, please let us know. For users that like the MS media player (I don't claim to understand why, but some people apparently do! :-), this is probably the simplest/easiest solution. I guess the only thing we could do to make it simpler for users would be to provide an exe download (currently, they're zip files containing a setup.exe and a couple of other files. Since many versions of windows don't come with zip software, this doesn't seem ideal for ultimate-user-friendliness). Mike Mike
On 20/01/2005, at 4:29 AM, Daniel Schregenberger wrote:> Now I had several reports on the topic "How do I play these ogg-things > on Windows?". I've linked to http://www.vorbis.com/ but apparently this > is not easy enough.Have you tried illiminable's Ogg filters? <http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/> -- They're actively being worked on right now, so if they don't work with your stream, let us know now and the next version (which will be out within the next few weeks) will work with them. -- % Andre Pang : trust.in.love.to.save <http://www.algorithm.com.au/>
BTW, short answer to the original question: http://www.illiminable.com/ogg ...gets you what you want for WiMP. As for WinAMP, WinAMP3 (which no one should use) and WinAMP5 (which was a reaction to WinAMP3 sucking so hard, they want back and started over basing it on WinAMP2) both support Ogg natively. Winamp2 had a plugin years and years ago, but it was done by Nullsoft when Nullsoft was still Nullsoft and since Nullsoft hasn't been Nullsoft or supported WinAMP2 for about, oh, 50 years now, it's not surprising this plugin is just hard to find. I think the final release or two of WinAMP2 supported Ogg natively, but I don't remember for sure. I didn't realize Vorbis.com had bitrotted to quite this level of uselessness. I'll get it updated because, damn, that's emabarrassing, but it won't quite happen overnight. Monty