I just had another thought on this topic. What if we have a setting to select the maximum possible bitrate instead of a target bitrate setting. This satisfies the streaming people, but means that for an ordinary user to set a bitrate he'll have to set the quality to 9.999999 *and* the maximum bitrate to whatever he wants. ie. If he sets quality to "near CD" and max_bitrate to "128" then he's most likely going to get 80kbs anyway. They'll have to think laterally to get winamp to say "128". Even if he/she figures it out they'll have selected "archive quality" from the menu so they'll be thinking "hey, this can do *archive quality* at only 128kbits!!!" <p>So, no "target bitrate" setting anywhere in the program, just "quality" and "maximum bitrate" settings. I can't see any real use for a "minumum bitrate" setting. Can anybody think of a reason this wouldn't work out for everybody involved? <p><p> -- <\___/> / O O \ \_____/ FTB. <p><p><p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
fungus wrote:> What if we have a setting to select the maximum possible > bitrate instead of a target bitrate setting.We will have that with RC4, when -q and -M work together. <p>Moritz -- _______________________________________________________________________ "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
fungus wrote:> So, no "target bitrate" setting anywhere in the program, > just "quality" and "maximum bitrate" settings.I like that. So -b should be eliminated, and you use -q with -M to set an upper limit.> I can't see any real use for a "minumum bitrate" setting.I had been wondering about that myself. I can't see any reason for it other than to emulate CBR. And I don't really understand why streaming should require CBR -- it needs a maximum, sure, but who cares about the minimum? Craig --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.