R devel - Nov 2002 - Bug#168259: r-base-core: help.start() assumes netscape is installed (PR#2275)

> Package: r-base-core
> Version: 1.5.1-0woody1
> Severity: minor
> 
> I don't have Netscape on my system. Trying to follow the sample
To best of my knowledge, this R feature dates from a time when 
Netscape was essentially the only browser out there. It also had 
a most useful feature: you could attach new request (resulting in
a new "frame" in X11 / window manager parlance) to a running Netscape 
making startup for this request /much/ faster than starting a new 
Netscape executable.

This feature lacks in other browsers which is why no one was able
to write a wrapper script around netscape, mozilla, galeon, konqueror,...
and pick whichever is found.
> session in the R Intro fails with a less than helpful error message:
Then this should be fixed in the R Intro -- maybe a line could be added
suggesting that the   browser="foo"   options may be needed to switch
away from netscape?
> Type `demo()' for some demos, `help()' for on-line help, or
> `help.start()' for a HTML browser interface to help.
> Type `q()' to quit R.
> 
> > help.start()
> Making links in ~/.R ...
> If netscape is already running, it is *not* restarted, and you must
>     switch to its window.
> Otherwise, be patient ...
> > sh: netscape: command not found
> 
> 
> Could some heuristic be put in place to use whatever is installed
> rather than blindly hope Netscape will be there? I thought I even saw
This has been discussed on the R lists, but as I recall, no consensus
was reached for the reasons outlined above.
> something about an /etc/alternatives mechanism for selecting a web
> browser but this does not seem to exist (yet?)
Now you're switching from a generic R problem to a Debian specific
solution -- but yes I may be able to do that. However, what we would
really need is a wrapper like, say, sensible-browser akin to the 
existing sensible-paper and sensible-editor.  Now, as I said above,
this will likely be difficult or impossible to do well, so nobody
did it.

Also, /etc/alternatives is designed to switch between variants of the
same program: emacs as a choice between emacs20 and emacs21, netscape
as one between static motif and other linkage variants, ... whereas
sensible-$FOO is a wrapper around different programs doing $FOO.
> Failing that, perhaps the program could check for the existence of
> Netscape before attempting to launch it, and display a suitable error
> message if it is not installed (hopefully with instructions for how to
> override).
Yes, but that is tough to do portably on Unix, Max, Win, ... where R
runs.
> I was lucky enough to fairly quickly find an example of how to work
> around this in Google; for the record,
help.start(browser='mozilla')
> worked for me, and apparently R will now remember to use Mozilla in
> the future on my account.
Only for the running session. Set 
  options(browser="mozilla")
in ~/.Rprofile to make it truly permanent.
> Sorry if this is already fixed in testing/unstable.
No, I'd call it one of the "unfixable" ones.

Regards,  Dirk


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Note that this only a problem for pre-compiled versions of R used on
machines other than the one on which it was compiled. For those compiling
from source, the configure script selects a browser.  So almost all the
analysis is based on incorrect assumptions.

What you seem to want is run-time rather than compile-time automated
selection.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 edd@debian.org wrote:
>
>
> > Package: r-base-core
> > Version: 1.5.1-0woody1
> > Severity: minor
> >
> > I don't have Netscape on my system. Trying to follow the sample
>
> To best of my knowledge, this R feature dates from a time when
> Netscape was essentially the only browser out there. It also had
> a most useful feature: you could attach new request (resulting in
> a new "frame" in X11 / window manager parlance) to a running
Netscape
> making startup for this request /much/ faster than starting a new
> Netscape executable.
and netscape no longer allows multiple executables to run.
> This feature lacks in other browsers which is why no one was able
> to write a wrapper script around netscape, mozilla, galeon, konqueror,...
> and pick whichever is found.
>
> > session in the R Intro fails with a less than helpful error message:
>
> Then this should be fixed in the R Intro -- maybe a line could be added
> suggesting that the   browser="foo"   options may be needed to
switch
> away from netscape?
Nope, what's in R-intro works everywhere R was compiled from source.
It's a Debian (etc) problem.
> > Type `demo()' for some demos, `help()' for on-line help, or
> > `help.start()' for a HTML browser interface to help.
> > Type `q()' to quit R.
> >
> > > help.start()
> > Making links in ~/.R ...
> > If netscape is already running, it is *not* restarted, and you must
> >     switch to its window.
> > Otherwise, be patient ...
> > > sh: netscape: command not found
> >
> >
> > Could some heuristic be put in place to use whatever is installed
> > rather than blindly hope Netscape will be there? I thought I even saw
Again, that's not what happens.
> This has been discussed on the R lists, but as I recall, no consensus
> was reached for the reasons outlined above.
>
> > something about an /etc/alternatives mechanism for selecting a web
> > browser but this does not seem to exist (yet?)
>
> Now you're switching from a generic R problem to a Debian specific
> solution -- but yes I may be able to do that. However, what we would
> really need is a wrapper like, say, sensible-browser akin to the
> existing sensible-paper and sensible-editor.  Now, as I said above,
> this will likely be difficult or impossible to do well, so nobody
> did it.
>
> Also, /etc/alternatives is designed to switch between variants of the
> same program: emacs as a choice between emacs20 and emacs21, netscape
> as one between static motif and other linkage variants, ... whereas
> sensible-$FOO is a wrapper around different programs doing $FOO.
>
> > Failing that, perhaps the program could check for the existence of
> > Netscape before attempting to launch it, and display a suitable error
> > message if it is not installed (hopefully with instructions for how to
> > override).
>
> Yes, but that is tough to do portably on Unix, Max, Win, ... where R
> runs.
>
> > I was lucky enough to fairly quickly find an example of how to work
> > around this in Google; for the record,
help.start(browser='mozilla')
> > worked for me, and apparently R will now remember to use Mozilla in
> > the future on my account.
>
> Only for the running session. Set
>   options(browser="mozilla")
> in ~/.Rprofile to make it truly permanent.
>
> > Sorry if this is already fixed in testing/unstable.
>
> No, I'd call it one of the "unfixable" ones.
>
> Regards,  Dirk
>
>
>
> >
> > /* era */
> >
> > --
> > Join the civilized world -- ban spam like we did!
<http://www.euro.cauce.org/>
> >    tee -a $HOME/.signature <$HOME/.plan
>http://www.iki.fi/era/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> According to the latest figures, 43% of all signatures are totally
worthless.
>
>
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On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 03:51:10PM +0000, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk
wrote:
> > To best of my knowledge, this R feature dates from a time when
> > Netscape was essentially the only browser out there. It also had
> > a most useful feature: you could attach new request (resulting in
> > a new "frame" in X11 / window manager parlance) to a running
Netscape
> > making startup for this request /much/ faster than starting a new
> > Netscape executable.
> 
> and netscape no longer allows multiple executables to run.
I just confirmed that mozilla does. E.g.
  mozilla http://bbc.com & sleep 3; mozilla -remote
"openurl(http://cnn.com)"
happily switches the running session from the BBC to CNN.

Neither galeon [ a mozilla derivative ] nor konqueror [ different codebase ]
appear to support it.

Would there be interest in a solution based on mozilla?  Mozilla is
cross-platform [ I use it under NT and *love* the tabbing ] but not that
common.

Dirk

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