Hi, I'm a long term dovecot user, packager and believer, but on the other side of the wire I've been a mutt user for longer than I can think. Which modern email client under Linux is working best with dovecot? I just did a grep on User-Agent:/X-Mailer: on my dovecot archive (which goes back to 2004) and found that the top ten are: 28% Thunderbird 25% Evolution 9% Apple Mail 9% Mutt 5% Mozilla 3% KMail 2% Outlook 2% SquirrelMail 1% Alpine 1% Mulberry ... So it looks like most Linux people here like to use Thunderbird and Evolution. This is not a my-email-client-is-better-than-your-email-client thread, I just want to know which client(s) make proper use of imap features for fast searches/copies/deletions etc. Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20100218/a45cfd97/attachment-0002.bin>
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:45 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote:> Which modern email client under Linux is working best with dovecot? I > just did a grep on User-Agent:/X-Mailer: on my dovecot archive (which > goes back to 2004) and found that the top ten are: > > 28% Thunderbird > 25% Evolution > 9% Apple MailI wouldn't be surprised if >90% of Evolution and Apple mail mails came from me. :)> This is not a my-email-client-is-better-than-your-email-client thread, > I just want to know which client(s) make proper use of imap features > for fast searches/copies/deletions etc.I think they all suck. If I ever have too much time on my hands, I might try to continue http://trojita.flaska.net/. Its design looks good, but unfortunately it's nowhere near being actually usable and its development seems dead. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20100218/80d9400a/attachment-0002.bin>
Timo Sirainen wrote:> I think they all suck. If I ever have too much time on my hands, I might > try to continue http://trojita.flaska.net/. Its design looks good, but > unfortunately it's nowhere near being actually usable and its > development seems dead. >See http://projects.flaska.net/projects/activity/trojita - looks like there's hope yet! Last revision posted ... yesterday! -- Daniel
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 2010-02-18 23:50, Timo Sirainen wrote:> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:45 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: >> Which modern email client under Linux is working best with dovecot? I >> just did a grep on User-Agent:/X-Mailer: on my dovecot archive (which >> goes back to 2004) and found that the top ten are: >> >> 28% Thunderbird >> 25% Evolution >> 9% Apple Mail > > I wouldn't be surprised if >90% of Evolution and Apple mail mails came > from me. :) > >> This is not a my-email-client-is-better-than-your-email-client thread, >> I just want to know which client(s) make proper use of imap features >> for fast searches/copies/deletions etc. > > I think they all suck. If I ever have too much time on my hands, I might > try to continue http://trojita.flaska.net/. Its design looks good, but > unfortunately it's nowhere near being actually usable and its > development seems dead.That would be a great thing to do :) You could have total control over the IMAP world by getting out a *good* IMAP client ;) And since it's Qt, a lot of users (X11, OS X, Windows, soon Nokia smartphones?) could profit. On the other hand, maybe all efforts should concentrate on Akonadi [1], which will do IMAP for KDE in the (near?) future... says a KDE user :) Patrick. [1] http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ - -- STAR Software (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. http://www.star-group.net/ Phone: +86 (21) 3462 7688 x 826 Fax: +86 (21) 3462 7779 PGP key E883A005 https://stshacom1.star-china.net/keys/patrick_nagel.asc Fingerprint: E09A D65E 855F B334 E5C3 5386 EF23 20FC E883 A005 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuCLIIACgkQ7yMg/OiDoAUFBACeJ6IbFvKCIxwqX3/Jq9J4V+U2 fIAAoJRi9QuYxHwjOy0XmYcnqf5SO5fh =8HCp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello, Axel. You wrote 18 ??????? 2010 ?., 18:45:21:> This is not a my-email-client-is-better-than-your-email-client thread, > I just want to know which client(s) make proper use of imap features > for fast searches/copies/deletions etc.IMHO, all existing clients suck, but not only due to IMAP4 [mis]using, but because UI is terrible. For example, I don't lnow any client with proper, accurate text-only quoting (with '> ' marks). Some clients forget to spilt long lines, some don't add '> ' when I split quote line by hands, some don't remove '> ' automagically when lines in quote are merged (by deleting CR/NL on previous line), and things become even mnore horrible whrn here are many quotes of different level. I'm not mention clients, which have top-quoting-only setting or doesn't have templates for editor (no, a signature file IS NOT A TEMPLATE!) Threading, working with mailing lists (with all these List-XXX headers which are standard now), using diffferent "From" names and e-mails for different folders (and, yes, different templates), differnet templates for different replies, good filters (Thunderbird's filters creation UI is bad, IMHO), flexible but esy-to-setup-default purging rules, etc, etc, etc -- all these features are missing or implemented horribly wrong in most clients (I don't claim, that every client has every feature from this list implemented wrong, but most of clients has 1/2 or more of this list absent or unusable). There is one client which have not-so-bad-UI (I can not use EMACS GNU, but I think everything COULD BE DONE in EMACS, so, may be THERE ARE TWO clients): Ritlab's "The Bat!". But it works with IMAP terribly wrong, works only on Windows, costs money, and is somwhere buggy :( -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov <lev at serebryakov.spb.ru>
On 2010-02-18 10:50 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote:> I think they all suck. If I ever have too much time on my hands, I might > try to continue http://trojita.flaska.net/. Its design looks good, but > unfortunately it's nowhere near being actually usable and its > development seems dead.Hey Timo, I was wondering if you might take just a few minutes - no need to go into great detail or anything unless you can do so off the top of your head and don't mind - and outline what you see as the biggest problems with all of these sucky IMAP clients, and what things might/could be done to make them 'suck less'... Maybe this could be a new entry on your new blog? ;) I'm interested in opening some bugs for Thunderbird for anything that seems to be doable/fixable without rewriting everything from scratch (which obviously isn't going to happen)... -- Best regards, Charles
On 2/24/10 8:37 PM +0200 Timo Sirainen wrote:> 1) Online mode: Don't download all message headers at once at startup. > If I open a mailbox, I'm seeing only about 20 messages on screen. That's > all it needs to download. When I scroll the message list, download more > as needed.I disagree. You are conflating UI blocking with network blocking (download), probably because that's how TB does it. IMHO, when you open a mailbox, messages should fill in and be accessible immediately, ie as soon as the headers are downloaded. Beyond a screenful, the client should continue to download headers so that when you do scroll down, there is no delay. This is especially useful when you are on a slow link. You spend SO much time doing nothing, ie reading messages, while the client could be doing work for you, and then when you scroll you have to wait again? Also you have to adjust this behavior if server-side sorting is not available and the user wants something other than message order. If you're worried about "wasting" bandwidth, a valid concern, the client need only prefetch another screenful of messages at a time. If your client is configured to sync message bodies, it should go ahead and do that before you start actually reading them, so that you are not waiting on download. Apple Mail, for one, seems to implement things as I've described. Note I am in now way endorsing Apple Mail as a good IMAP client. -frank
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