>http://dir.xiph.org/yp.xmlahhh thats what one i was looking for, since the dir was moved it wasnt linked up anymore. just some ideas, but the dir intro (top 10-20 stations) should be on the front page of icecast.org and some links for xml parsing per station in addition to one giant heaped page. that way stations could parse that and display there status on there page via a php script i could write. p.s. i know there is a mailing list but some forums would bring a community feel to icecast.org as well. most newbs have trouble using mailing lists and need a guidance hand (forums accomplish that.) overall ideas (Just my $0.02). <p><p>Regards Dave St John Mediacast1 Administrator Need Support? please visit our helpdesk area http://mediacast1.com/helpdesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "oddsock" <oddsock@oddsock.org> To: <icecast-dev@xiph.org> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land. <p>> we actually have a XML interface into the directory...and this interface is> freely available and can be utilized by anyone wishing to write a frontend> for it...It is available here : http://dir.xiph.org/yp.xml and isrefreshed> every minute. Already some people are using this interface (and actually > someone at wasabi-dev wrote a wasabi component which provides a stream > browser to wasabi - formerly winamp3)...writing a winamp2 general plugin > which utilizes this interface is fairly trivial, although you won't getthe> same kind of integration that the media library has, since the media > library has access to all the winamp2 skinning interface (something that a > general plugin does not have access to)... > > standalone programs are also out there too > (http://freshmeat.net/projects/streamtuner/) although useful, I personally > prefer a simple web based interface... > > oddsock > At 07:11 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote: > >Brainstorming Idea: > >Possibly add an xml api to the current yp logic, > > that way 3rd party providers could parse the stations in the yp off > >icecast.org in there media players. > >of course a plugin for winamp would be the first obvious choice(since the > >already have there own media library but uses yp.shoutcast.com), butothers> >would follow. > >I remember seeing something previously at dir.xiph.org but wasnt carried > >over to the new dir at icecast.org. > > > >We would be willing to donate server space and bandwidth for the yp dirat> >icecast.org, email me offlist whoever is in charge of the icecast.org > >website if interested. > > > > > > > > > >Regards > >Dave St John > >Mediacast1 Administrator > > > >Need Support? please visit our helpdesk area > >http://mediacast1.com/helpdesk > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "oddsock" <oddsock@oddsock.org> > >To: <icecast-dev@xiph.org> > >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:36 PM > >Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land. > > > > > > > well, I'm not sure that's the reasoning... > > > > > > from Tom P : > > > "i'm making changes to yp which will detect the presence of mp3prowithin> >a > > > non-encapsulated stream and prohibit its listing. nsv/nsa is an open > > > protocol and the authors who wish to broadcast with this format shoulda)> > > rewrite the stream provider to encapsulate and broadcast in the > > > encapsulated protocol, b) discuss with christophe which identifiersshould> > > be included for formal support of the protocol within NSV, c) create a > > > playback plugin for winamp which supports the nsv/nsa encapsulationand> > > streaming, and d) let me know when all of these things happen so I can > > > formally expose these streams via the directory to players whichproperly> > > support them. " > > > > > > this tells me that they are not trying to alienate non-Shoutcastsource> > > clients (stream providers he calls them), but rather get people toadopt> > > the NSV encapsulation protocol.. Speaking as a source clientdeveloper> > > and knowing many of the other developers that develop source clients,I> > > think they overestimate the willingness to move to their undocumentedand> > > proprietary encapsulation protocol, when we have something so open and > >free > > > as ogg... > > > > > > I also just don't get the desire to move to mp3pro..I mean, if you are > > > going to make your listeners download a plugin to listen to yourstation,> > > why not just switch to vorbis ? Sure, you can still listen to anmp3pro> > > stream with a normal mp3 player, but geeze, who'd want to ? As itstands,> > > I think the only source client that supports mp3pro is Spacial Audio's > > > encoder...And for what it's worth, you CAN stream mp3pro to icecast2:)> > > > > > oddsock > > > > > > > > > At 03:19 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote: > > > >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote: > > > > > > > > > neat, how ironic is it that you can stream mp3pro with theShoutcast> >DNAS, > > > > > but their YP will not let you list if you do so...talk about your > >mixed > > > > > messages... > > > > > > > >I think what they're trying to do here is not only block non-SCDNAS > > > >servers, but also as many non-Shoutcast sources as they can. Thinkabout> > > >it - if you're streaming MP3Pro without it being NSV-encapsulated,you're> > > >not using a Nullsoft tool to do it. > > > > > > > >This kind of one-eyed behaviour will hopefully push people in the > >direction > > > >of finding alternatives. > > > > > > > >Geoff. > > > > > > > >--- >8 ---- > > > >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > > > >'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' > > > >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is > >needed. > > > >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > >'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > > > >--- >8 ---- > >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > >'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' > >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. ><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> I have a working forum that I am still experimenting with...it is a custom > modification to phpBB and a set of mail filters to bridge the gap between > the mailing list and something like a forum...Coming Soon is about all I > can say at this point..Very cool, cant waite :)> any type of individual station status retrieving like what you describe > should not go against the YP..that is what the icecast status pages are > for...all the information available in the YP is available from theicecast> server itself. We have both limited CPU and bandwidth at Xiph, so we > unfortunately cannot offer services like these.Makes sense cause i know nullsofts yp is a cluster of servers, like i said before tho we would be willing to donate bandwidth for the icecast.org dir, once it starts getting hammered. <p><p>Regards Dave St John Mediacast1 Administrator Need Support? please visit our helpdesk area http://mediacast1.com/helpdesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "oddsock" <oddsock@oddsock.org> To: <icecast-dev@xiph.org> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land. <p>> At 04:17 PM 3/8/2004, you wrote:> > >http://dir.xiph.org/yp.xml > >ahhh thats what one i was looking for, since the dir was moved it wasnt > >linked up anymore. > > technically, it didn't move, the directory still resides at dir.xiph.org,I> just created a different front end to it (PHP instead of a python). > > >just some ideas, but the dir intro (top 10-20 stations) should be on the > >front page of icecast.org and some links for xml parsing per station in > >addition to one giant heaped page. > >that way stations could parse that and display there status on there page > >via a php script i could write. > > any type of individual station status retrieving like what you describe > should not go against the YP..that is what the icecast status pages are > for...all the information available in the YP is available from theicecast> server itself. We have both limited CPU and bandwidth at Xiph, so we > unfortunately cannot offer services like these. > > >p.s. i know there is a mailing list but some forums would bring acommunity> >feel to icecast.org as well. > >most newbs have trouble using mailing lists and need a guidance hand(forums> >accomplish that.) > >overall ideas (Just my $0.02). > > I have a working forum that I am still experimenting with...it is a custom > modification to phpBB and a set of mail filters to bridge the gap between > the mailing list and something like a forum...Coming Soon is about all I > can say at this point.. > > oddsock > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. ><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
At 04:17 PM 3/8/2004, you wrote:> >http://dir.xiph.org/yp.xml >ahhh thats what one i was looking for, since the dir was moved it wasnt >linked up anymore.technically, it didn't move, the directory still resides at dir.xiph.org, I just created a different front end to it (PHP instead of a python).>just some ideas, but the dir intro (top 10-20 stations) should be on the >front page of icecast.org and some links for xml parsing per station in >addition to one giant heaped page. >that way stations could parse that and display there status on there page >via a php script i could write.any type of individual station status retrieving like what you describe should not go against the YP..that is what the icecast status pages are for...all the information available in the YP is available from the icecast server itself. We have both limited CPU and bandwidth at Xiph, so we unfortunately cannot offer services like these.>p.s. i know there is a mailing list but some forums would bring a community >feel to icecast.org as well. >most newbs have trouble using mailing lists and need a guidance hand (forums >accomplish that.) >overall ideas (Just my $0.02).I have a working forum that I am still experimenting with...it is a custom modification to phpBB and a set of mail filters to bridge the gap between the mailing list and something like a forum...Coming Soon is about all I can say at this point.. oddsock <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Tuesday 09 March 2004 09:17, Dave St John wrote:> p.s. i know there is a mailing list but some forums would bring a community > feel to icecast.org as well. > most newbs have trouble using mailing lists and need a guidance hand > (forums accomplish that.) > overall ideas (Just my $0.02).<p>The problem with that, of course, is that if we have forums, we (the developers) really need to read them, otherwise they rapidly become fairly useless. And reading web forums is about as fun as shaving with a cheesegrater. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> And reading web forums is about as fun as shaving with a cheesegrater.LOL, For devs yes i agree, but for newbs and webcasters thats all they do. but to every upside theres a downside, and i have seen the (shoutcast) forums at winamp become more of a disgruntled bitch/scolding session for users not using the search function or googling there problems. Overall tho i think it would be more of a service than a diservice, its one of those minor things thats missing. <p><p>Regards Dave St John Mediacast1 Administrator Need Support? please visit our helpdesk area http://mediacast1.com/helpdesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Smith" <msmith@xiph.org> To: <icecast-dev@xiph.org> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land. <p>> On Tuesday 09 March 2004 09:17, Dave St John wrote:> > p.s. i know there is a mailing list but some forums would bring acommunity> > feel to icecast.org as well. > > most newbs have trouble using mailing lists and need a guidance hand > > (forums accomplish that.) > > overall ideas (Just my $0.02). > > > The problem with that, of course, is that if we have forums, we (the > developers) really need to read them, otherwise they rapidly become fairly > useless. > > And reading web forums is about as fun as shaving with a cheesegrater. > > Mike > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. ><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.