zfs discuss - Jul 2012 - Solaris derivate with the best long-term future

As a napp-it user who recently needs to upgrade from NexentaCore I recently saw
"preferred for OpenIndiana live but running under Illumian, NexentaCore and
Solaris 11 (Express)"
as a system recommendation for napp-it. 

I wonder about the future of OpenIndiana and Illumian, which
fork is likely to see the most continued development, in your opinion?

Thanks.

hi
if U have not check this page please do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
interesting info about the  status of ZFS in various OS
regards
my 2c
1)if you have the money buy ZFS appliance
2)if you want to build your self napp-it get solaris 11 support, it only 
charge the SW/socket  and not change by storage capacity
Nexenta  Enterprise platform charge U $$ for raw capacity
On 7/11/2012 7:51 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> As a napp-it user who recently needs to upgrade from NexentaCore I recently
saw
> "preferred for OpenIndiana live but running under Illumian,
NexentaCore and Solaris 11 (Express)"
> as a system recommendation for napp-it.
>
> I wonder about the future of OpenIndiana and Illumian, which
> fork is likely to see the most continued development, in your opinion?
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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> zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org
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On 07/11/2012 01:51 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> 
> As a napp-it user who recently needs to upgrade from NexentaCore I recently
saw
> "preferred for OpenIndiana live but running under Illumian,
NexentaCore and Solaris 11 (Express)"
> as a system recommendation for napp-it. 
> 
> I wonder about the future of OpenIndiana and Illumian, which
> fork is likely to see the most continued development, in your opinion?
I use OpenIndiana personally, since it''s the one I''m most
familiar with
(direct continuation of OpenSolaris tradition). If you need something
with commercial support in that spirit, I recommend having a look at
OmniOS. Joyent''s SmartOS is really interesting, albeit a bit
narrow-profile for my taste (plus, its use of NetBSD packaging means
I''ll have to adapt to a new way of doing things and I like IPS very
much).

Cheers,
--
Saso

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 08:48:54AM -0400, Hung-Sheng Tsao Ph.D.
wrote:
> hi
> if U have not check this page please do
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
> interesting info about the  status of ZFS in various OS
> regards
Thanks for the pointer. It doesn''t answer my question though --
where the most development momentum is. It does seem that Illumian
is a Debian-flavored distro of OpenIndiana, so I wonder why
the napp-it author puts OpenIndiana first in his list.

It would be interesting to see when zpool versions >28 will
be available in the open forks. Particularly encryption is
a very useful functionality.
> my 2c
> 1)if you have the money buy ZFS appliance
I would certainly not give any money to Oracle.
> 2)if you want to build your self napp-it get solaris 11 support, it only  
Oracle Solaris is dead to me for pretty much the same reasons.
> charge the SW/socket  and not change by storage capacity
> Nexenta  Enterprise platform charge U $$ for raw capacity
I''m currently using NexentaCore which is EOL. It seems
my choices are either OpenIndiana or Illumian, which seem
to be very closely related.
> On 7/11/2012 7:51 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> As a napp-it user who recently needs to upgrade from NexentaCore I
recently saw
>> "preferred for OpenIndiana live but running under Illumian,
NexentaCore and Solaris 11 (Express)"
>> as a system recommendation for napp-it.
>>
>> I wonder about the future of OpenIndiana and Illumian, which
>> fork is likely to see the most continued development, in your opinion?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> zfs-discuss mailing list
>> zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
> It would be interesting to see when zpool versions >28 will
> be available in the open forks. Particularly encryption is
> a very useful functionality.
Illumos advanced to zpool version 5000 and this is available in the 
latest OpenIndiana development release.  Does that make you happy?

As far as which Solaris derivate has the best future, it is clear that 
Illumos has a lot of development energy right now and there is little 
reason to believe that this energy will cease.  Illumos-derived 
distributions may come and go but it looks like Illumos has a future, 
particularly once it frees itself from all Sun-derived binary 
components.

Oracle continues with Solaris 11 and does seem to be funding necessary 
driver and platform support.  User access to Solaris 11 may be 
abitrarily limited.

Bob
-- 
Bob Friesenhahn
bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/
GraphicsMagick Maintainer,    http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/

Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >
> > It would be interesting to see when zpool versions >28 will
> > be available in the open forks. Particularly encryption is
> > a very useful functionality.
> 
> Illumos advanced to zpool version 5000 and this is available in the 
> latest OpenIndiana development release.  Does that make you happy?
> 
> As far as which Solaris derivate has the best future, it is clear that 
> Illumos has a lot of development energy right now and there is little 
> reason to believe that this energy will cease.  Illumos-derived 
> distributions may come and go but it looks like Illumos has a future, 
> particularly once it frees itself from all Sun-derived binary 
> components.
FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT is at zpool version 5000 as well.
It supports ZFS-independent full disk encryption through
geli and gbde.

I''ve been using ZFS on geli since the ZFS import in 2007 and
while there are still a couple of unresolved bugs, overall I''m
quite satisfied.

Of course FDE is less flexible than the per-dataset encryption
offered by Oracle ZFS, but personally I prefer to encrypt all the
data in the pool anyway and Oracle ZFS is not designed to do that:
https://blogs.oracle.com/darren/entry/zfs_encryption_what_is_on

I certainly wouldn''t mind additionally being able to use
encryption inside ZFS, though.

Fabian
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