I don''t want to run SXCE anymore. I''m trying to decide between: EON ZFS NAS http://eonstorage.blogspot.com/ --or-- NexentaCore Platform (v2.0 RC3) http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaCore --or-- OpenSolaris 2009.06 (when it''s released) My needs are: * Easy package management * Easy upgrades * Stability * Ability to run Splunk My hardware: CPU - AMD Athlon X2 4850e Motherboard - XFX MD-A72P-7509 * nVidia nForce 750a SLI chipset * 6x SATA, 1x eSATA * 2x PCIe 2.0 x16 slots * nVidia GeForce 8 series integrated video * 1x Marvell gigabit ethernet (disabled in BIOS) 2x Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR2 800 2x Intel PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter (82541PI) 6x Maxtor 6L300S0 drives (SATA) 1x 80GB IDE drive (OS)
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Joe S <js.lists at gmail.com> wrote:> EON ZFS NAS > http://eonstorage.blogspot.com/No idea.> NexentaCore Platform (v2.0 RC3) > http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaCorePersonally, I tried it few times. For now, it is still too much broken for me yet and looks scary. Previous version is much more stable but also older. Newer v2.0 looks exactly like bleeding edge Debian old times: each time you run "apt-get upgrade" you have to use shaman''s tambourine dancing around the fireplace. I don''t remember exactly, but some packages are just broken and can not find dependencies, installation crashes, pollutes your system and can not be restored nicely etc. However, when it will be not that broken anymore, it must be a great distribution with excellent package management and very convenient to use.> OpenSolaris 2009.06 (when it''s released)I am running this one now on a multiple machines and so far seems like it is the best distro by its quality for such needs what you can have at the moment. -- Kind regards, bm
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bogdan M. Maryniuk <bogdan.maryniuk at gmail.com> wrote:> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Joe S <js.lists at gmail.com> wrote: >> EON ZFS NAS >> http://eonstorage.blogspot.com/ > > No idea. > >> NexentaCore Platform (v2.0 RC3) >> http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaCore > > Personally, I tried it few times. For now, it is still too much broken > for me yet and looks scary. Previous version is much more stable but > also older. Newer v2.0 looks exactly like bleeding edge Debian old > times: each time you run "apt-get upgrade" you have to use shaman''s > tambourine dancing around the fireplace. I don''t remember exactly, but > some packages are just broken and can not find dependencies, > installation crashes, pollutes your system and can not be restored > nicely etc. However, when it will be not that broken anymore, it must > be a great distribution with excellent package management and very > convenient to use.Hi Bogdan, Which particular packages were these? RC3 is quite stable, and all server packages are solid. If you do face issues with a particular one, we''d appreciate a bug report. All information on this is helpful.. Thanks, Anil> >> OpenSolaris 2009.06 (when it''s released) > > I am running this one now on a multiple machines and so far seems like > it is the best distro by its quality for such needs what you can have > at the moment. > > -- > Kind regards, bm > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss >
Anil Gulecha wrote:> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bogdan M. Maryniuk > <bogdan.maryniuk at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Joe S <js.lists at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> EON ZFS NAS >>> http://eonstorage.blogspot.com/ >>> >> No idea. >> >> >>> NexentaCore Platform (v2.0 RC3) >>> http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaCore >>> >> Personally, I tried it few times. For now, it is still too much broken >> for me yet and looks scary. Previous version is much more stable but >> also older. Newer v2.0 looks exactly like bleeding edge Debian old >> times: each time you run "apt-get upgrade" you have to use shaman''s >> tambourine dancing around the fireplace. I don''t remember exactly, but >> some packages are just broken and can not find dependencies, >> installation crashes, pollutes your system and can not be restored >> nicely etc. However, when it will be not that broken anymore, it must >> be a great distribution with excellent package management and very >> convenient to use. >> > > Hi Bogdan, > > Which particular packages were these? RC3 is quite stable, and all > server packages are solid. If you do face issues with a particular > one, we''d appreciate a bug report. All information on this is > helpful.. >I''ve done some preliminary patch review on the core on-nexenta patches and I''d concur to put Nexenta pretty low on the trusted list for enterprise storage. This is in addition to the packaging problems you''ve pointed out. If the issues at hand were not enough when I sent an email to their dev list it was completely ignored. Marketing for Nexenta as Anil points out is strong, but like many other distributions outside Sun there''s still a lot of work to go. I''m not sure EON''s update delivery, but I believe it''s just a minimal repackage of OpenSolaris release. This isn''t the advocacy list so if you''re interested in other alternatives feel free to email me off list. Cheers, ./Christopher -- OSUNIX - Built from the best of OpenSolaris Technology http://www.osunix.org
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Anil Gulecha <anil.verve at gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Bogdan, > > Which particular packages were these? RC3 is quite stable, and all > server packages are solid. If you do face issues with a particular > one, we''d appreciate a bug report. All information on this is > helpful..Well, I don''t really remember exactly, because I''ve tried it so many times and got so many issues in various places. I just had issues everywhere: X11 (you do not need it, but still), updates, versions etc. Very, very unstable and scary distro yet for me. I believe idea is really brilliant and I love Nexenta in general. Just still very buggy and seems like not very dynamic development so far: some bugs persists for quite long time. There is also Milax ? you can try look at that stuff as well. Pretty much nice and clean (so far). However, I prefer go with "real stuff" ? OpenSolaris itself. It is very classic, sometimes too much conservative and IPS could have dependency resolver (when building an OS distro) and overall mirroring support. But on the other hand, if you want have something on a production, then I would not go experiments, if I were you. Hope this helps. -- Kind regards, bm
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Bogdan M. Maryniuk <bogdan.maryniuk at gmail.com> wrote:> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Anil Gulecha <anil.verve at gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Bogdan, >> >> Which particular packages were these? RC3 is quite stable, and all >> server packages are solid. If you do face issues with a particular >> one, we''d appreciate a bug report. All information on this is >> helpful.. > > Well, I don''t really remember exactly, because I''ve tried it so many > times and got so many issues in various places. I just had issues > everywhere: X11 (you do not need it, but still), updates, versions > etc. Very, very unstable and scary distro yet for me. I believe idea > is really brilliant and I love Nexenta in general. Just still very > buggy and seems like not very dynamic development so far: some bugs > persists for quite long time. >Yes, NCP''s Desktop side components (X/Gnome/XFCE) is untested, and explains the issues. The focus is on the core.. and it has been so since the move from Gnusolaris (the older Gnome based Nexenta) to Nexenta Core platform. The idea was and remains that interested community members can build off it. One example is StormOS, and XFCE based distro being built on NCP2. According to the latest blog entry.. a release is imminent. Perhaps you''ll have better desktop experience with this. (www.stormos.org) Regards, Anil
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Anil Gulecha <anil.verve at gmail.com> wrote:> Yes, NCP''s Desktop side components (X/Gnome/XFCE) is untested, and > explains the issues. The focus is on the core.. and it has been so > since the move from Gnusolaris (the older Gnome based Nexenta) to > Nexenta Core platform. The idea was and remains that interested > community members can build off it.Well, unfortunately I had some other problems, not just X11. However, thank you for the hint! Anyone add StormOS to the distrowatch, please? :) -- Kind regards, bm
On Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:35 +0900 "Bogdan M. Maryniuk" <bogdan.maryniuk at gmail.com> wrote:> Anyone add StormOS to the distrowatch, please?If so, than you may add OSUNIX too. It seems like a nice new project, not BeneLix has joined the "community" -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | nevada / opensolaris sharing the same ROOT pool + All that''s really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol)
May be what you saying is true wrt. NexentaCore 2.0. But hey, think about open source principals and development process. We do hope that NexentaCore will become an official Debian distribution some day! We evolving and driven completely by the community here. Anyone can participate and fix the bugs and make it happen: https://launchpad.net/distros/nexenta As far commercial bits: 1. NexentaStor is still based off 1.x. Once 2.x branch is more or less polished we will make a safe transition 2. ON patches goes through serious stress testing not only by Nexenta but also by the growing list of Nexenta partners - i.e. to ensure that end solution is absolutely stable and safe: http://www.nexenta.com/partners 3. The development model of NexentaCore is indeed very much Debian-like. However, NexentaStor is developed with different rules in mind - rules of focused testing, conservative principals and partner-wide openness 4. Is Debian helping NexentaStor to integrate stuff? Yes, absolutely! Lots of advantages here. Debian is NOT just package management as one could think of - it is as well a polished distribution foundation. NexentaStor plugins, which are pretty much Debian packages, used to extend NexentaStor capabilities. Learn more: http://www.nexenta.com/corp/index.php?option=com_jreviews&Itemid=112 C. Bergstr?m wrote:> Anil Gulecha wrote: >> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bogdan M. Maryniuk >> <bogdan.maryniuk at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Joe S <js.lists at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> EON ZFS NAS >>>> http://eonstorage.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>> No idea. >>> >>> >>>> NexentaCore Platform (v2.0 RC3) >>>> http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaCore >>>> >>> Personally, I tried it few times. For now, it is still too much broken >>> for me yet and looks scary. Previous version is much more stable but >>> also older. Newer v2.0 looks exactly like bleeding edge Debian old >>> times: each time you run "apt-get upgrade" you have to use shaman''s >>> tambourine dancing around the fireplace. I don''t remember exactly, but >>> some packages are just broken and can not find dependencies, >>> installation crashes, pollutes your system and can not be restored >>> nicely etc. However, when it will be not that broken anymore, it must >>> be a great distribution with excellent package management and very >>> convenient to use. >>> >> >> Hi Bogdan, >> >> Which particular packages were these? RC3 is quite stable, and all >> server packages are solid. If you do face issues with a particular >> one, we''d appreciate a bug report. All information on this is >> helpful.. >> > I''ve done some preliminary patch review on the core on-nexenta patches > and I''d concur to put Nexenta pretty low on the trusted list for > enterprise storage. This is in addition to the packaging problems > you''ve pointed out. If the issues at hand were not enough when I sent > an email to their dev list it was completely ignored. Marketing for > Nexenta as Anil points out is strong, but like many other distributions > outside Sun there''s still a lot of work to go. I''m not sure EON''s > update delivery, but I believe it''s just a minimal repackage of > OpenSolaris release. This isn''t the advocacy list so if you''re > interested in other alternatives feel free to email me off list. > > Cheers, > > > ./Christopher > > -- > OSUNIX - Built from the best of OpenSolaris Technology > http://www.osunix.org > > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > >
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Anil Gulecha <anil.verve at gmail.com> wrote:> One example is StormOS, and XFCE based distro being built on NCP2. > According to the latest blog entry.. a release is imminent. Perhaps > you''ll have better desktop experience with this. (www.stormos.org)So.Tried it just now. Shortly: I''d stay with OpenSolaris for at least a year. :-) -- Kind regards, bm
Js.lists, My needs are: * Easy package management There is no pkgadd or ips included in EON. You can however add IPS and retrieve any of its available packages. * Easy upgrades EON is fairly easy to upgrade and the risk is low. All you have to do is preserve your previous image before upgrading. If the upgrade is not suitable go back to your previous image/release. You can preview the each new release by simply burning the image and booting, your current install would remain untouched. * Stability EON is sxce minimized so it is as stable as the matching snv_xxx release. You can also roll your own appliance to include only the bits you need * Ability to run Splunk Splunk not included but if there is an ips package or pkgadd version included on the snv dvd you could always add or include it if you roll your own appliance. Feel free to give EON a twirl. It will only cost you CD and the time to burn and boot it. Or if you have a VM you can test it there. You''ll know reallly fast if it has enough of a framework for you to add the missing bits you need or not. Hope that helps. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Andre Lue<no-reply at opensolaris.org> wrote:> Feel free to give EON a twirl. It will only cost you CD and the time to burn and boot it. Or if you have a VM you can test it there. You''ll know reallly fast if it has enough of a framework for you to add the missing bits you need or not. Hope that helps.Hi Andre. Thanks for the comment. What a reasonable minimal amount of RAM you would recommend? -- Kind regards, bm
Hi Bogdan, I''d recommend the following RAM minimums for a fair balance of performance. 700Mb 32-bit 1Gb 64-bit -- This message posted from opensolaris.org
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Andre Lue<no-reply at opensolaris.org> wrote:> Hi Bogdan, > > I''d recommend the following RAM minimums for a fair balance of performance. > 700Mb 32-bit > 1Gb ? ? 64-bitOK, it probably means 2GB when it goes actually practical. :-) Thanks! -- Kind regards, bm