If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry. "Windows Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. What I mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' applications to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making IE a key part of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows Genuine Advantage) to install, then most if not all applications will not work, making WINE Worthless. Thanks and hope this is helpfull. Justin
On 2 May 2006 00:07:49 -0700, justin@rtechguys.com <justin@rtechguys.com> wrote:> If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry.Yea, this has been discussed before.> "Windows Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. What I > mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' applications > to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making IE a key part > of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows Genuine Advantage) > to install, then most if not all applications will not work, making > WINE Worthless. >IE doesn't require WGA to install, but even if it did, WGA works fine on Wine and reports a valid key. -- James Hawkins
I am not answering the technical aspects of wine, which I am unable to do. I am rather at a philosophical issue, that is what do you expect from wine. A scientist - like I am professionally - sees at wine as a temporary solution to the lack of a few programs on free unix-type environments he was used at, or which are absolutely necessary for presentation to the editor of for lecturing. A case in point is xdrawchem. The project is to have a mirror of Windows chemdraw. Unfortunately, xdrawchem is still far from becoming the equivalent of openoffice in unix as to the language of chemistry. Imagine unix without openoffice: how to correspond with coworkers and editors? So that one attempts to run (legally) something that allows to exchange files with chemdraw and editors. The final goal, however, is to have xdrawchem working. There is not much else needed today for an organic chemist/biochemist/natural_product_chemist/any_scientist_dealing_with_molecules to work fully on unix. At that point one can easily forget about wine in science because the most serious programs (for computation up to quantum mechaniscs) are best available on unix, and they are free and under further development. Here, Windows has nothing to say; its computer language is too naive (or too intricate) to deal with our tasks of coping with mainframe or simply working on a partition far away. This is not to underevaluate the wine project. It is a great project, it has a great future (I hope) and science does not cover all aspects of the world, there are many aspects where wine will continue to be of high interest and personally I thank wine for the time being for allowing me to work fully (actually nearly fully, as I have not yet solved the problem of presentation of chemical structures) on debian. Cheers francesco pietra On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:07, justin@rtechguys.com wrote:> If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry. "Windows > Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. What I > mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' applications > to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making IE a key part > of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows Genuine Advantage) > to install, then most if not all applications will not work, making > WINE Worthless. > > Thanks and hope this is helpfull. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > wine-users mailing list > wine-users@winehq.org > http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
I forgot to say that Windows as an OS has a fundamental drawback for a scientist: as an imperscrutable OS, it makes inperscrutable any application on it. Well, doing, say, quantum mechanical computations blindly (as it occurs with Windows applications) in no more then driving blindly. Would you like to drive your car blindly? I do not. _____________ I am not answering the technical aspects of wine, which I am unable to do. I am rather at a philosophical issue, that is what do you expect from wine. A scientist - like I am professionally - sees at wine as a temporary solution to the lack of a few programs on free unix-type environments he was used at, or which are absolutely necessary for presentation to the editor of for lecturing. A case in point is xdrawchem. The project is to have a mirror of Windows chemdraw. Unfortunately, xdrawchem is still far from becoming the equivalent of openoffice in unix as to the language of chemistry. Imagine unix without openoffice: how to correspond with coworkers and editors? So that one attempts to run (legally) something that allows to exchange files with chemdraw and editors. The final goal, however, is to have xdrawchem working. There is not much else needed today for an organic chemist/biochemist/natural_product_chemist/any_scientist_dealing_with_molecules to work fully on unix. At that point one can easily forget about wine in science because the most serious programs (for computation up to quantum mechaniscs) are best available on unix, and they are free and under further development. Here, Windows has nothing to say; its computer language is too naive (or too intricate) to deal with our tasks of coping with mainframe or simply working on a partition far away. This is not to underevaluate the wine project. It is a great project, it has a great future (I hope) and science does not cover all aspects of the world, there are many aspects where wine will continue to be of high interest and personally I thank wine for the time being for allowing me to work fully (actually nearly fully, as I have not yet solved the problem of presentation of chemical structures) on debian. Cheers francesco pietra On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:07, justin@rtechguys.com wrote:> If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry. "Windows > Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. What I > mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' applications > to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making IE a key part > of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows Genuine Advantage) > to install, then most if not all applications will not work, making > WINE Worthless. > > Thanks and hope this is helpfull. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > wine-users mailing list > wine-users@winehq.org > http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
Le mardi 02 mai 2006 ? 00:07 -0700, justin@rtechguys.com a ?crit :> If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry. "Windows > Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. What I > mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' applications > to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making IE a key part > of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows Genuine Advantage) > to install, then most if not all applications will not work, making > WINE Worthless.I'll add that Wine has now it's own iexplore which should be soon sufficient for apps that depend on it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?Url : http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/attachments/20060502/090f87f4/attachment.pgp
James Hawkins wrote:> On 2 May 2006 00:07:49 -0700, justin@rtechguys.com > <justin@rtechguys.com> wrote: >> If this is off subject or has already been addressed, sorry. > > Yea, this has been discussed before. > >> "Windows Genuine Advantage" looks like a move to make wine worthless. >> What I mean is that M$ development API pushes windows developers' >> applications to require you install IE 6.0 (soon 7.0) or later, making >> IE a key part of wine. If IE requires Genuine MicroSoft (Windows >> Genuine Advantage) to install, then most if not all applications will >> not work, making WINE Worthless. >> > > IE doesn't require WGA to install, but even if it did, WGA works fine > on Wine and reports a valid key. > > -- > James HawkinsI've tested WGA on Microsoft's site under a previous version of Wine, and it indeed does work. Go and see. -- ...Dave Dawson "If you wrestle in the mud with a pig, you both get dirty, and the pig likes it."