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Joris Huizer

2004-May-22 04:30 UTC

Why isn't everyone compiling wine

Hello everyone,

I find myself repeating to a lot of people, the advice to *compile* 
wine. In my opinion, at least as long as wine is alpha software, it 
really should be configured the best way for *your* system;

It seems wine by rpm packages or other binary installs break far more 
often than wine being custom compiled - appart from the limited support 
wine gives, you add problems by non-optimal configuration.
I'm not someone who says you should compile everything - I'm not running
gentoo - but wine isn't a stable product yet and I think you should grip 
every stability there where you could get it - shouldn't the winehq site 
*recommend* custom compiling? It's all automated so everyone should be 
able to do this...

just wondering...

Joris

Kristiaan Lenaerts

2004-May-22 05:21 UTC

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Hi

My guess is that a lot of people are afraid of compiling. I have to 
admit I did the same when I just started using linux, having to learn 
how to install a program, using a package-manager... I was afraid of 
using self-compiled things, because I had no idea how to uninstall it if 
it did't work. Working with packages gives *some* comfort, because 
that's easy to use, and that's the way the system installed itself (and 
updates itself).

Also, not knowing where programs go after they are compiled, what all 
those "/usr/lib /usr/bin ..." dirs are, what has to go where... It is
so
comfusing at first, that I can imagine that most people (I did) just use 
the package manager, it just works (most of the time).

But I do agree, since I started compiling wine (gentoo - now using the 
cvs), a lot of things just worked that didn't before. Now, it is well 
possible that has more to do with the version of wine, than actually 
compiling it yourself, but the packages are outdated most of the time...

just my experience...

Krist

Ivan Leo Murray-Smith

2004-May-22 09:46 UTC

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> I'm not running 
> gentoo - but wine isn't a stable product yet and I think you should
grip
> every stability there where you could get it - shouldn't the winehq
site
> *recommend* custom compiling? It's all automated so everyone should be 
> able to do this...I doubt you'll get any extra stability compiling from source, as long so
your
using the correct binary for your system.
Back when everybody compiled, a considerable percentage of the support requests
where caused by people compiling without some optional headers, for example the
cups headers aren't usually installed, so lots of people said wine
didn't print,
and we had to tell them to install the cups headers. Wine has a lot of optional
libs, cups, ICU, openGL, ssh, artsd, alsa and so on, it's quite a long list,
and
the fact that now most people use binaries that have support for all these libs
saves a lot of time. Also, compiling wine, actually compiling anything,
isn't
user friendly. Imagine a winxp user that installs linux, then wants to try wine,
spends hours getting all the minimal dependencies installed (gcc, make
&friends), then he can't print nor play 3d games, and we tell him to go
to
http://bla and get header X, and then to http://blabla and get header Y, then he
gets the wrong version, and starts asking what a header is, and so on. The next
day that user will throw his linux CDs away with the remains of the launch. Wine
needs usability, wine can now create the .wine directory itself, so, if you want
to run an app that works on wine, you just install the RPM in a few seconds
(Compiling can take various hours on a old PC), click on the app, and it just
works. This means that more users can use wine, without being computer geeks,
and that also means more feedback, and consequentially more motivation for
developers (If a developer is trying to get a game working, he'll feel more
motivated if he knows dozens of people are waiting for that game to work on
wine). Also, if something goes wrong when building, it will take lots of
learning, and lots of time to fix, if the user is new to these sort of things.
And the user may not care about debugging wine, in most cases he want it to
install and run quickly and easily.
So, for all these reasons, the users that don't want to waste time and want
to
just try wine and see if/how it works, binaries are the best option. And anybody
wanting to do something more advanced (Debugging, cvs regression testing and so
on) will build from source, possibly downloading from CVS.

Ivan.

Rein Klazes

2004-May-22 09:56 UTC

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:30:58 +0200, you wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I find myself repeating to a lot of people, the advice to *compile* 
> wine. In my opinion, at least as long as wine is alpha software, it 
> really should be configured the best way for *your* system;
> 
> It seems wine by rpm packages or other binary installs break far more 
> often than wine being custom compiled - appart from the limited support 
> wine gives, you add problems by non-optimal configuration.
> I'm not someone who says you should compile everything - I'm not
running
> gentoo - but wine isn't a stable product yet and I think you should
grip
> every stability there where you could get it - shouldn't the winehq
site
> *recommend* custom compiling? It's all automated so everyone should be 
> able to do this...
Many seem to get excellent result with the compiled packages. I don't
think you should advice such people not to use them.

Of course for debugging (wine's version is still "developers
only"),
patches need to be tested, cause of regressions need to be found early
you must compile. 

Rein.
-- 
Rein Klazes
rklazes@xs4all.nl

eternal

2004-May-22 15:53 UTC

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well...  here's my 2 cents...  for starters, and background info, this
is on a dual p3-850 w/ half a gig of ECC sdram, running
freeBSD4.9release.  i battled with wine and trying to get it to complete
`make' without error for 5 months.  it was only after giving up on the
wants for windows compatibility that i accidentally came across
"portupgrade".  i immediately cvsup'd my entire ports tree, and
then ran
`portupgrade -NRvf wine' (new install, work on all dependancies,
verbose, force).  it was only after portupgrade had upgraded easily a
third of the ports i had installed and then built wine according to the
port, that i have ever gotten wine installed.  i have since tested
`pkg_deinstall wine-20040505', followed by trying to install it from
source.  i STILL can't use ./tools/wineinstall, it says not found, and i
can ls -la that dir, and see it there, even open it in vi.  so i move on
to `./configure && make depend', which always runs fine...  when
those
are done, i run `make', and towerds the end, it complains that it can't
find a certain file (advapi32_test.exe.so, if i recall correctly...), so
i read up a few lines in the output, and see that in the previous step,
it copied about 10 files, starting with the one i named above out to a
different dir, and ran `strip' on the files...  it didnt drop the .so in
the name, and therefore couldn't find advapi32_test.exe...  i cd to the
dir that they were cp'd to, and remove the final extentions myself, and
re-run `make', and it completes this time.  `make install' fails after
that, but i don't recall the error right now...  i ended up using
portupgrade to put the wine port back on after that.

	so, now for what the wine port does once installed...
---------------------------------> wine DCOM98.EXEfixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not
supported on this platform
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
err:module:load_builtin_dll loaded .so for L"setupx.dll" but got
L"setupapi.dll" instead - probably 16-bit dll
----------------------------
so, i find this script "install-dcom98.sh" off franksworld...  after
removing the parans from the functions, it runs (don't aske me why...). 
here's the output (snipped from after it downloads it's own dcom98.exe
file)
------------------------------------
15:59:16 (75.35 KB/s) - `/tmp/dcom98.exe' saved [1229056/1229056]

fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not
supported on this platform
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:setupapi:SETUPX_CreateStandardLDDs LDID_SRCPATH: what exactly do
we have to do here ?
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\dcom98.inf"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\dcomcnfg.hlp"
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0x240, 0705, 0000, 00000000,
20370e34) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0x240, 070f, 0000, 00000000,
20370e34) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0x240, 0710, 0000, 00000000,
20370e34) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0x240, 070b, 0000, 00000000,
20370e34) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0x240, 070c, 0000, 00000000,
20370e34) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:ole:RPCRT4_DllRegisterServer (): stub

DCOM98 installation is ready
-----------------------------------
now, from what i've read, it's suggested to try to install ie6...  which
is below: (custom - full install)
---------------------------------> wine ie6setup.exefixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not
supported on this platform
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW Animated icons not
correctly implemented! 0x20ef0000
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW icon entry found!
0x20ef0000
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW icon size ok.
offset=0x20ef0074
fixme:setupapi:SETUPX_CreateStandardLDDs LDID_SRCPATH: what exactly do
we have to do here ?
fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not
supported on this platform
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0xb240, 0705, 0000, 00000000,
203fb29c) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0xb240, 070f, 0000, 00000000,
203fb29c) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0xb240, 0710, 0000, 00000000,
203fb29c) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0xb240, 070b, 0000, 00000000,
203fb29c) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:vcpUICallbackProc16 (0xb240, 070c, 0000, 00000000,
203fb29c) - semi-stub
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:dc:GetLayout (0x758): stub
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:urlmon:URLMonikerImpl_BindToStorage
(0x20410e10)->(0x20410ee0,0x0,{0000000c-0000-0000-c000-000000000046},0x20410d40):
stub
fixme:wininet:FindFirstUrlCacheEntryA
("Z:\\usr\\home\\vertigo\\winstalls\\ie6setup.exe", 0x2040fa98,
0x2069eed8): stub
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW Animated icons not
correctly implemented! 0x20f50000
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW icon entry found!
0x20f50000
fixme:cursor:CURSORICON_SimulateLoadingFromResourceW icon size ok.
offset=0x20f50074
winewine in free(): in free(): warning:  warning: recursive call
recursive call
---------------------------------
it freezes...  i try resuming, and it downloads the .exe, and starts
running it...  and errors about someting along the lines on me having to
close running applications...  below is the console output from this:
-----------------------------------
fixme:wininet:URLCacheContainer_OpenIndex need to create cache index
file
fixme:ole:CoCreateInstance no classfactory created for CLSID
{00021401-0000-0000-c000-000000000046}, hres is 0x80040154
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190a40): Memory leak.
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA copy error 5
"C:\\windows\\msdownld.tmp\\AS01836B.tmp\\w95inf16.dll" ->
"C:\\windows\\system\\w95inf16.dll"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA copy error 5
"C:\\windows\\msdownld.tmp\\AS01836B.tmp\\w95inf32.dll" ->
"C:\\windows\\system\\w95inf32.dll"
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190a80): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190ac0): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190b00): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190b40): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190b80): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190bc0): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190c00): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190c40): Memory leak.
fixme:cabinet:process_files (basecab == ^0x10190c80): Memory leak.
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\autokill.inf"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\autokill.exe"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\ie4olrdr.map"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\advpack.dll"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\Bindlist.txt"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\Softboot.txt"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\Bindlist.log"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\Softboot.log"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\ierunonce.log"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\ierunonce.err"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\system\\npstub.dll"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\egg.gif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\dskwmark.gif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\tck.gif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\wmark.gif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\userexbg.gif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\userexp.htm"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\compon.htm"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\windows\\Web\\desktop.htx"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 3
"C:\\PROG~FBU\\setup\\ie4.inf"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\PROG~FBU\\ie40.cif"
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\PROG~FBU\\ie4.txt"
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2
"C:\\windows\\inf\\ie5dom.inf"
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly
supported on this platform
err:thunk:_loadthunk (commctrl.dll, Cctl1632_ThunkData16, comctl32.dll):
Unable to load 'commctrl.dll', error 2
err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for
L"C:\\windows\\msdownld.tmp\\AS018582.tmp\\acmsetup.exe" failed,
status
c0000142
fixme:crypt:CryptRegisterDefaultOIDFunction
(1,CertDllVerifyRevocation,0,L"mscrlrev.dll") stub!
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_REGSRCPATH
fixme:setupapi:GenInstall16 unsupported flag: GENINSTALL_DO_CFGAUTO
---------------------------------------

in summary:  i think more of a focus should be put into making wine
functional, and once it can do something, the focus should migrate to
install issues...  i am so jaded by wasting all this time to fnnally
succeed in getting it installed, and IT WON'T WORK.  im willing to
settle for mozilla, evolution, and gaim for my web needs, i just wish
that i could get photoshop or coreldraw on it, but how can i when i'm
always having to clean out wine after it gets hung up on installing
something... (i didnt even want to get into the issues of installing
directx here, but apparently it cant find a required directory...
c:\windows\system\directx exists...  so i have no idead what it's really
moaning about...)


On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 05:30, Joris Huizer wrote:> Hello everyone,
> 
> I find myself repeating to a lot of people, the advice to *compile* 
> wine. In my opinion, at least as long as wine is alpha software, it 
> really should be configured the best way for *your* system;
> 
> It seems wine by rpm packages or other binary installs break far more 
> often than wine being custom compiled - appart from the limited support 
> wine gives, you add problems by non-optimal configuration.
> I'm not someone who says you should compile everything - I'm not
running
> gentoo - but wine isn't a stable product yet and I think you should
grip
> every stability there where you could get it - shouldn't the winehq
site
> *recommend* custom compiling? It's all automated so everyone should be 
> able to do this...
> 
> just wondering...
> 
> Joris
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> wine-users@winehq.org
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Ivan Leo Murray-Smith

2004-May-23 10:20 UTC

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> If you have dependency problems move to debians packaging system called 
> apt-get; apt-get has been designed to cover all dependencies (I heard 
> there are rpm versions of apt-get available - somewhere out there)Mandrake has URPMI, it's like apt-get but for RPMs. It's great, very
user
friendly, graphical. You just click on an RPM, and if any deps are missing, it
just pops up a window saying "Insert Linux Mandrake CD x" where x is
the number
of the CD where the missing dependency is, and it just installs everything for
you. So you just click on a RPM, put in a CD if the system asks you, and the
software installs in seconds. You can even add a remote source, such as a FTP
server. It's all GPL so I really don't know why other distros don't
use it.

Ivan.

arifdep@kawanlama.com

2004-May-23 22:54 UTC

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At first, i'm using the compiling wine, but i change the method and use the
rpm.
first of all, it's much more easier and if something goes wrong, i can just
remove it.

if there's a user guide about how to uninstall the wine, and replace with
the earlier
version ( only to keep operational things work ). i use the wine to run the
Lotus Notes
client. it works fine, but since the 20040319, i can't install the notes
because when i
choose to browse and change the directory to install, i came to 2 sub menu
and
cannot be open.

is there any manual how to uninstall if i use the compile method.

> If you have dependency problems move to debians packaging system called
> apt-get; apt-get has been designed to cover all dependencies (I heard
> there are rpm versions of apt-get available - somewhere out there)Mandrake has URPMI, it's like apt-get but for RPMs. It's great, very
user
friendly, graphical. You just click on an RPM, and if any deps are missing,
it
just pops up a window saying "Insert Linux Mandrake CD x" where x is
the
number
of the CD where the missing dependency is, and it just installs everything
for
you. So you just click on a RPM, put in a CD if the system asks you, and
the
software installs in seconds. You can even add a remote source, such as a
FTP
server. It's all GPL so I really don't know why other distros don't
use it.

Ivan.

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James E. LaBarre

2004-May-25 12:42 UTC

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>On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 16:21, James E. LaBarre wrote:
>> eternal wrote:
>> > you remove something you have had to compile with `make
deinstall' from
>> > the directory that the Makefile is in.
>> 
>> This implies you still have/kept the source tree you installed from. 
>> Unless you are specifically doing debugging/testing, it seems a waste
of
>> space.
>> 
>> Personally, if I were building such apps from source, I'd take the
extra
>> step and make an RPM fist *then* install from the RPM.  Then it becomes
>> a simple matter of running "rpm -e winebuild" to remove the
old version.
>> 
>i'll have to look into rpm on freebsd(i have it installed with
>linux_base, i know this much, but i dont use it), i guess...  good point
>tho, and thank you.  fyi, space isn't a concern on my box;  120GB and
>its all *MINE*  -=oD
>
>shaun
>
>ps:  i was really posting that as a bit of know-how that i have...  i
>regularly use (and highly recommend - just be very, very sure to read
>the man page for it first) portupgrade to handle all of my
>installing/upgrading (ie: after a cvsup), and if i should have to
>uninstall something manually, use `pkg_deinstall packagename-version'
>
>
Did I send that directly to you and not the list???  Stupid
bad-forwarding-headers
in the list manager again (I've heard the arguments both ways, and I think
the
"reply-to" header is still the correct way to go).

When I suggested creating an RPM and then installing from that, I really meant
RPM as what *I* would be using on my system, while RPM would be replaced with
the appropriate packaging system for your own distribution &/or OS.  Would
that
mean one would use the NSIS installer for creating a Wine install for Windows?
<G>

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