if ya' haven't seen it already, check out:
http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html
ad, sad, sad. on many fronts. I don't begin to understand how this might
work; I suppose the MP3 degradation only applies to MS encoding software...
*shrug*
this may, however, provide a good leveraging point for Vorbis.
have fun
dongoodman
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Greetings, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, dongoodman wrote:> if ya' haven't seen it already, check out: > http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html> sad, sad, sad. on many fronts. I don't begin to understand how this might > work; I suppose the MP3 degradation only applies to MS encoding software... > *shrug* > this may, however, provide a good leveraging point for Vorbis.I don't get it. If this isn't the most explicit example of abuse of it's near-monopoly position as OS-provider to 'help' their own application-software; I don't know what is. Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- KB905-RIPE Belgacom IP networking (c=be,a=rtt,p=belgacomgroup,s=Bonne,g=Kristoff) Internet, IP and IP/VPN kristoff.bonne@skypro.be Faxbox : +32 2 2435122 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
dongoodman wrote:> > if ya' haven't seen it already, check out: > http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html > > sad, sad, sad. on many fronts. I don't begin to understand how this might > work; I suppose the MP3 degradation only applies to MS encoding software... > *shrug* >Keep reading. Further down it says: "Under Microsoft's new restrictions -- which prevent its built-in software from recording MP3 files at fidelity rates higher than 56 kilobits per second -- MP3 music "sounds like somebody in a phone booth underwater," says P.J. McNealy The new restrictions in Windows XP won't prevent other vendors' software applications from recording MP3 music at a higher fidelity" Ok, I get it so far... "but early testers of beta versions of Windows XP already complain that the most popular MP3 recording applications -- which compete with Microsoft's format -- don't seem to function properly, apparently because of changes Microsoft made to how data are written on CD-ROMs under Windows XP. ...but now they've lost me.> this may, however, provide a good leveraging point for Vorbis. >Replacing mp3 won't be so easy. Microsoft and Real are spending money on promoting their formats, Vorbis isn't. -- <\___/> / O O \ \_____/ FTB. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:26:15PM -0500, dongoodman wrote:> if ya' haven't seen it already, check out: > http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html > > sad, sad, sad. on many fronts. I don't begin to understand how this might > work; I suppose the MP3 degradation only applies to MS encoding software... > *shrug*It explicitly only applies to MS encoding software, whatever stupid rumors of filesystem corruption slashdot weenies are bantering about. The other thing mentioned is simply that old ripping software doesn't work because microsoft changed the interface. -- David Terrell | "The reasons for my decision to quit were myriad, but Nebcorp PM | central to the decision was the realization that there are dbt@meat.net | two kinds of companies: Good ones ask you to think for wwn.nebcorp.com | them. The others tell you to think like them." -Benjy Feen --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I read it and smiled knowingly. Do you realize how many products use Microsoft's mp3 encoder in order to function? :) It's too expensive to license that, so most people just use Microsoft's netshow tools. We couldn't ask for better happenings for Vorbis :) All these companies are just making it too easy. jack.> if ya' haven't seen it already, check out: > http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html > > sad, sad, sad. on many fronts. I don't begin to understand how this might > work; I suppose the MP3 degradation only applies to MS encoding software... > *shrug* > > this may, however, provide a good leveraging point for Vorbis.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Thu 12 Apr 2001 Jack Moffitt <jack@icecast.org> wrote:> > It's not just about providing alternatives... it's about providing > > *accessible* alternatives... now if only we can get ogg into Rio > > firmware and othersuch... ;) > > Repitition is the key to learning or some such, so forgive me ifyou> seen me say this before. > > The best way to get Rio support for vorbis, is to email all theemail> addresses you can find, and _ask_ for it. If they see customerdemand,> they are likely to do it. Be sure to mention that it alreadyworks in> hardware (the iomega hipzip) and that Xiph.org is very interestin> working with other hardware vendors. > > This goes for Rio, creative labs, and any other product you thinkshould> have vorbis. Ask them. Sooner or later they'll come around. > > jack.Yesterday I called the SonicBlue (they're the company who own DiamondMM and therefore Rio) pre-sales/customer support line. I told them that I'd noticed the ads for every single one of their current players (Rio 500, 600, 800, and Volt; Nike psa[play 120 and 60) include "upgradeable for future audio formats" in their list of features, and asked which of the players currently support Vorbis, or are scheduled to support it in the future. The reply was that they will only consider supporting "industry standard formats" (their words exactly), and that Vorbis did not, in their opinion, fit that description. Surprised, I asked if anyone else had ever asked about this codec. The woman said that I was the first. (And it turns out that she is the person who handles all such requests, and is responsible for forwarding emails about formats to the engineering teams -- so she isn't just some newly-hired PR flack.) Needless to say, Vorbis is just barely on their radar, if that. I'm going to start calling every couple of days. If you feel strongly about this, I encourage you to do the same. (Be aware, though, that they seem to track calls by caller name and phone number, so if you give them the same info five times they may just label your case file as "extremist" or something like that, and ignore it.) The SonicBlue (Rio) contact info is: Pre-sales/customer support line: (800) 468-5846 Non-free tech support line: (541) 967-2450 Email: customersupport@sonicblue.com President of the Rio division: Jim Cady [anyone know his email?] -HJR p.s. I've corresponded with the developers of the Rio500 Linux tools (see rio500.sourceforge.net) about the possibility of adding firmware upgrade support to the Linux suite (this would be a key first step to porting Vorbis to the Rio line). The problem is that Rio refuses to release the necessary specs, and no one wants to risk testing without them because clobbering the firmware requires sending the unit back to Rio for repair. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.