One thing I must note before I begin is that, I probably just am not that well skilled at listening, but I can hear no difference between vorbis, mp3, and wav at the bitrates I encoded them at. lame 3.83 (beta) was used to encode the mp3s and mpg123 was used to decode. The current (Jun 8 00) encoder/decoder examples were used for vorbis. mp3s were encoded at 128 kbps, and vorbis is unknown because the XMMS plugin didn't work for me (crashed my comp ;-). Track 9: wav size: 45530060 song length: 4:18 mp3 size: 4130273 vorbis size: 4401173 Track 10: wav size: 55088588 song length: 5:12 mp3 size: 4997120 vorbis size: 5548526 Observations: I won't claim that the quality between the two are the same, since I can't tell the difference. At this bitrate, the vorbis file size averages 10 percent higher than mp3. One interesting thing is that when I benchmarked decoding, mpg123 (probably fastest decoder for linux) averaged 6x faster than vorbis. Encoding also was slower by a smaller magnitude (didn't measure, i _think_ 3x slower), but since lame is also the fastest (without assembly optimizations) encoder for linux, it seems natural. I'd assume the encoding time would be similar for bladeenc and encoder_example. Just some prerelease observations, Vomjom --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.