Raimund Sacherer
2015-Mar-21 12:01 UTC
Help needed with Tinc Setup on remote hosts and lots of ISPs / Failover Problems between ISPs
Hello List, This is our setup which we are trying in a couple of our remote offices: +---------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | +----------------+ | | +---------+ | | | | +---------+ | | | | | | | +---------+ | | | | | | ISP-A +--------------+ | | | | | <----+ ISP-D | | | | | | | | | | FW-01 | | | | | | +---------+ | | | | | Tinc A | | +---------+ | | | | | | +---------+ | | | +---------+ +--v------+ | | | | | | | | | | +----------+ | | | | | | | ISP-B +-----------> FW +----------> | | | | +---------+ | | | | | | Cluster | | Tinc (VM)| | | | | | | +---------+ | | +---------+ | | | | | | | | FW-02 | | | | | | +---^-----+ +----------+ | | | | Tinc B | <----+ ISP-E | | | +---------+ | | | | +---------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | +---------+ | | | ISP-C +---------------+ | | | FW Cluster | | | | | | | | | | | +---------+ | | +----------------+ | | | | | | | | Remote Office X | | Head Quarter | | | | | +---------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------+ FW-01 and FW-02 are Master/Slave firewalls (pfSense with Carp failover). We have currently 3 "remote offices" connected which have all basically the same setup, one office has more internet lines. Currently I have it configured this way: "Remote Office 1", Tinc A: ConnectTo ISP-A and ConnectTo ISP-B over ISP-D, Tinc B: the same, ISP-E not used "Remote Office 2", Tinc A: ConnectTo ISP-A and ConnectTo ISP-B over ISP-D, Tinc B: the same, ISP-E not used "Remote Office 3", still not set up, here I have 5 Internet lines (as described below) and I am not sure how to set it up correctly. Can you recommend me the correct or best-practice way to connect all those offices over their different connections to maintain a stable VPN system in which an outage or degradation of one ISP does not effect the network overall? Remote offices do not talk much between each other, the main communication is between remote office and head quarter, but that might change in the future. A) How to connect correctly Tinc A and Tinc B with Tinc VM? Would it be a good design to interconnect like that: Tinc A via ISP-D with ConnectTo ISP-A, ISP-B, ISP-C Tinc B via ISP-E with ConnectTo ISP-A, ISP-B, ISP-C Tinc A having a higher priority than Tinc B B) What if I have a remote office where I have (because of reliability problems) more Internet Connectivity? In Remote Office 3 I have 3 ADSL, 2 2Mbit SDSL and 1 FTTH connection, if I have the two tinc daemons on two firewalls, how would I interconnect those? I would like at least the FTTH, one SDSL and one ADSL line to be in the VPN setup. But I only have 2 tincd's on the two firewalls. C) I had a problem with ISP-A having a high packet loss in the direction from ISP-A to ISP-D. ISP-D to ISP-A was fine. Tinc did not switch from sending the VPN over ISP-A to ISP-B and I had communication problems until ISP-A had corrected their packet loss problem. Any Idea what went wrong? I tried to eliminate the ISP-A from the tinc config files in "Remote Office 1", restarted the tincd but it kept showing up and kept being elected as VPN Path. I later found out I had ISP-A also configured in "Remote Office 2" (which I thought I had not). I want to thank the developers and supporters of Tinc and I think it is a great piece of software and I am looking forward to expand it to be our only VPN Solution in the future as we are currently opening about 2-3 remote offices around the globe every year. Best Regards R.
Guus Sliepen
2015-Mar-31 12:41 UTC
Help needed with Tinc Setup on remote hosts and lots of ISPs / Failover Problems between ISPs
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Raimund Sacherer wrote:> This is our setup which we are trying in a couple of our remote offices:[...]> FW-01 and FW-02 are Master/Slave firewalls (pfSense with Carp failover). We have currently 3 "remote offices" connected which have all basically the same setup, one office has more internet lines. > > Currently I have it configured this way: > > "Remote Office 1", Tinc A: ConnectTo ISP-A and ConnectTo ISP-B over ISP-D, Tinc B: the same, ISP-E not used > "Remote Office 2", Tinc A: ConnectTo ISP-A and ConnectTo ISP-B over ISP-D, Tinc B: the same, ISP-E not used > "Remote Office 3", still not set up, here I have 5 Internet lines (as described below) and I am not sure how to set it up correctly. > > Can you recommend me the correct or best-practice way to connect all those offices over their different connections to maintain a stable VPN system in which an outage or degradation of one ISP does not effect the network overall? Remote offices do not talk much between each other, the main communication is between remote office and head quarter, but that might change in the future.The main thing is that you don't need to have three ConnectTo's on Tinc A and Tinc B, just one: ConnectTo headquarters. What you do want is to add three Addresses in hosts/headquarters, assuming you got a different IP address from each ISP at the headquarters. Then, when tinc A starts, it will try to connect to the headquarters by selecting one of the given Addresses. If that fails, it will go to the next one, and so on. If a working connection suddenly fails, tinc will try to reconnect using a different Address.> A) How to connect correctly Tinc A and Tinc B with Tinc VM? > Would it be a good design to interconnect like that: > > Tinc A via ISP-D with ConnectTo ISP-A, ISP-B, ISP-C > Tinc B via ISP-E with ConnectTo ISP-A, ISP-B, ISP-C > Tinc A having a higher priority than Tinc BSo this would be: Tinc A via ISP-D with ConnectTo HQ, hosts/HQ contains Addresses for ISP-A, ISP-B and ISP-C Tinc B via ISP-D with ConnectTo HQ, same as above. If tinc A and tinc B are connected to the same internal network, and you want to favor A over B, then, assuming you are using tinc in router mode, you have the same Subnet(s) in hosts/A and hosts/B, but with a lower weight for those in hosts/A than those in hosts/B.> B) What if I have a remote office where I have (because of reliability problems) more Internet Connectivity? > In Remote Office 3 I have 3 ADSL, 2 2Mbit SDSL and 1 FTTH connection, if I have the two tinc daemons on two firewalls, how would I interconnect those? I would like at least the FTTH, one SDSL and one ADSL line to be in the VPN setup. But I only have 2 tincd's on the two firewalls.That's quite a complicated setup. I also assume you want to use the FTTH connection whenever possible. One tinc daemon itself really isn't made to select which path is best, it normally just tries connecting until something works, and then sticks to it. You could do something if you have one tinc daemon per ISP connection, but that is apparently not what you want. If possible, see if you can have the firewall select the best route to take, then tinc will just use that.> C) I had a problem with ISP-A having a high packet loss in the direction from ISP-A to ISP-D. ISP-D to ISP-A was fine. Tinc did not switch from sending the VPN over ISP-A to ISP-B and I had communication problems until ISP-A had corrected their packet loss problem. > > Any Idea what went wrong? I tried to eliminate the ISP-A from the tinc config files in "Remote Office 1", restarted the tincd but it kept showing up and kept being elected as VPN Path. I later found out I had ISP-A also configured in "Remote Office 2" (which I thought I had not).Tinc does not check all possible communication paths for quality. It tries available paths in succession until it finds one that works, and sticks with it until it fails completely. Tinc also learns IP addresses from other nodes. Or it could be that even though tinc at ISP-D was sending packets to headquarters via ISP-B or ISP-C, that headquarters was sending them back via ISP-A, causing the tinc daemon at ISP-D to switch to ISP-A anyway. If you want/need tighter control, you might have to run three tinc daemons at the headquarters, one for each ISP you have there.> I want to thank the developers and supporters of Tinc and I think it is a great piece of software and I am looking forward to expand it to be our only VPN Solution in the future as we are currently opening about 2-3 remote offices around the globe every year.You're welcome :) I hope the answers above help you. -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen <guus at tinc-vpn.org> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <http://www.tinc-vpn.org/pipermail/tinc/attachments/20150331/d8b099a1/attachment.sig>
Raimund Sacherer
2015-Apr-16 20:09 UTC
Help needed with Tinc Setup on remote hosts and lots of ISPs / Failover Problems between ISPs
Hello Guus, thank you very much for your suggestions, I could not dive into it further because I was traveling, but now I have time to reconfigure the network. At first I really like the idea of having 3 Daemons on the headquarter, one for each ISP. The firewall should forward the port 655 from each ISP's public IP Address to my internal server and to the ports 655, 656, 657 respectively, which I guess you had in mind when you wrote:> If you want/need tighter control, you might have to run three tinc > daemons at the headquarters, one for each ISP you have there.My question now is, for every tinc daemon I need a tun or tap device, so how should the routing be done correctly? I have the VPN Network 10.69.0.0/11. Right now I have one tinc daemon and one tun0 device. I route the complete 10.96.0.0/11 to tun0. How do I have to proceed if I want this 10.96.0.0/11 be available from all 3 tinc-deamons (which from the internet-side will have every one it's own public IP with a different ISP)? The idea would be that I: * do not have to care if a line goes down, remote offices just reconnect to one of the other lines * in the event of a severe degradation of a line I just stop the corresponding daemon, all remote offices which had used this internet line just reconnect to one of the others * do not really care to which ISP every remote office connects But I am not sure about the routing on the VPN server where the 3 daemons should reside ... Thank you, best Ray
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