theora - Jan 2009 - online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg files

hi, 

i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share theora and
vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of contemporary art
projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing free/open source project"
with art students in gropus of 50-120. as a part of the project we want to share
the video and audio content created for the project as copyleft and  free/open
source. that's why i am looking for a service that won't conflict with
the idea of copyleft and open source. i need a service to host for download and
share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit. unfotunately
vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts theora but converts it to
mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit etc all have time and file size
limitations. wikimedia doesn't work for me either.  i found a service called
wikiupload.com but it doesn't seem a trustable service.

shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded ogg files
without time limit that also supports open source ideology. i will share the
links of 3 projects i have already done with you as soon as their websites are
ready.

thanx for any input

 orton akinci aka .-_-.




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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:19:20 +0000
From: RecoilUK <recoiluk at recoiluk.mail1.co.uk>
Subject: [theora] GraphStudio image
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Hi

Just wondering if anyone can offer a solution to my problem.

I,m using GraphStudio to encode a file into the theora format, but for 
some odd reason, the image is coming out upside down and inverted, a bit 
like your looking at it from behind.

Is there anyone else using this program and having the same problem, and 
can anyone help in finding a solution?

Thanks


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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:28:49 +0100
From: "Cristian Adam" <cristian.adam at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [theora] GraphStudio image
To: RecoilUK <recoiluk at recoiluk.mail1.co.uk>
Cc: theora at xiph.org
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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, RecoilUK <recoiluk at
recoiluk.mail1.co.uk>wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just wondering if anyone can offer a solution to my problem.
>
> I,m using GraphStudio to encode a file into the theora format, but for
> some odd reason, the image is coming out upside down and inverted, a bit
> like your looking at it from behind.
>
> Is there anyone else using this program and having the same problem, and
> can anyone help in finding a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
Hi,

It's a known issue. I plan to fix it in the next unstable version which
should be available soon.

Cheers,
Cristian.
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Hi , I usually use blip.tv as they can store and display the ogg theora
video. the drawback is that some french ISP seems to limit the bandwidth
access to blip

I then usually use theorasea.org to index it or include it on a blog using
Itheora


On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> hi,
>
> i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share theora and
> vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of contemporary art
> projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing free/open source
project" with art
> students in gropus of 50-120. as a part of the project we want to share the
> video and audio content created for the project as copyleft and  free/open
> source. that's why i am looking for a service that won't conflict
with the
> idea of copyleft and open source. i need a service to host for download and
> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.
> unfotunately vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts theora
but
> converts it to mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit etc all have time
> and file size limitations. wikimedia doesn't work for me either.  i
found a
> service called wikiupload.com but it doesn't seem a trustable service.
>
> shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded ogg
> files without time limit that also supports open source ideology. i will
> share the links of 3 projects i have already done with you as soon as their
> websites are ready.
>
> thanx for any input
>
> orton akinci aka .-_-.
>
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> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:19:20 +0000
> From: RecoilUK <recoiluk at recoiluk.mail1.co.uk>
> Subject: [theora] GraphStudio image
> To: theora at xiph.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
>
> Just wondering if anyone can offer a solution to my problem.
>
> I,m using GraphStudio to encode a file into the theora format, but for
> some odd reason, the image is coming out upside down and inverted, a bit
> like your looking at it from behind.
>
> Is there anyone else using this program and having the same problem, and
> can anyone help in finding a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:28:49 +0100
> From: "Cristian Adam" <cristian.adam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [theora] GraphStudio image
> To: RecoilUK <recoiluk at recoiluk.mail1.co.uk>
> Cc: theora at xiph.org
> Message-ID:
>     <dcb56530901060728v7890fbefxdd853cb27110dc3f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, RecoilUK <recoiluk at
recoiluk.mail1.co.uk
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone can offer a solution to my problem.
> >
> > I,m using GraphStudio to encode a file into the theora format, but for
> > some odd reason, the image is coming out upside down and inverted, a
bit
> > like your looking at it from behind.
> >
> > Is there anyone else using this program and having the same problem,
and
> > can anyone help in finding a solution?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> It's a known issue. I plan to fix it in the next unstable version which
> should be available soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Cristian.
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> i need a service to host for download and
> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.
How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do
what you want.

Chris.
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http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz

If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG  
file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see  
their recent policy change at:
http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
)

Is Archive.org unacceptable because they are producing the derived  
MPEG-4 download and you want your video to ONLY be available in OGG  
format? That choice is certainly yours to make and I won't try to  
convince you otherwise; I just wanted to clarify that Archive.org will  
also offer the original OGG version.

Quoting Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>:
> hi,
>
> i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share   
> theora and vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of  
>  contemporary art projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing  
> free/open  source project" with art students in gropus of 50-120. as  
> a part of  the project we want to share the video and audio content  
> created for  the project as copyleft and  free/open source. that's  
> why i am  looking for a service that won't conflict with the idea of  
> copyleft  and open source. i need a service to host for download and  
> share big  theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.  
> unfotunately  vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts  
> theora but  converts it to mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit  
> etc all  have time and file size limitations. wikimedia doesn't work  
> for me  either.  i found a service called wikiupload.com but it  
> doesn't seem  a trustable service.
>
> shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded   
> ogg files without time limit that also supports open source   
> ideology. i will share the links of 3 projects i have already done   
> with you as soon as their websites are ready.
>

Hi

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, <saulgoode at
flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com>wrote:
> If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG
> file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see
> their recent policy change at:
>
>
http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
> )
>
that IS really interressting. What are the limits and eventually drawbacks
of submitting video contents to archive.org then ?

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hey this community works great! thank you michel, ralph and saulgoode. i have
check your reccomendations. as you said amazon s3 is not free. i mean not as
money but also as mind. it is a bussiness. blip tv is good that it has options
for ogg theora but it has a 1gb limit per video. it is enough for most of my
work but i wanted to upload the videos to a service which has the mind of
"free culture".

by the time i checked archieve.org (like 1,5 month ago) they didn't host
theora files. but now i see that they are now!!! this is a great development. as
a political approach i am not for cc because "share alike" is not
compulsory for them, which is the main logic of copyleft. i am more for
fsf's approach and free art license for artworks. in fact libre commons is
even better because they have nothing to do with laws but moral issues. our
copyleft license is just like fsf's and free art license which encourages
copying,  modification, re-distribution by giving credits to the auhors under
the same rules. but i think i will have to choose attribution, share alike cc
license (not public domain) for archive.org. but thats ok. i also wanted to have
only ogg theora option availbale to make people download the codec to watch the
videos but i think archive.org is still ok since their policy is close to the
mind of "free culture". i will send you the links of the
 sites for the project when they are ready, if you are interested.

i did many test to find the apporpriate quality/filesize optimization for my
original dv footage and found that approx. 5000kbps theora is pretty close to dv
quality (i mean reasonably good, with litte artifacts)

by the way sorry ralph but i could understand what you meant by the following
(because of my english:D )

Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format
for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed
to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,
and of course it's already been edited down...

thanx to the community



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   1. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded    ogg
      files (saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com)
   2. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg
      files (michel memeteau)
   3. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg
      file (Ralph Giles)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:33:04 -0500
From: saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded    ogg    files
To: theora at xiph.org
Message-ID:
    <20090107103304.5wzbzil4g04cgw80 at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=ISO-8859-1;    DelSp="Yes";
    format="flowed"

If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG  
file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see  
their recent policy change at:
http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
)

Is Archive.org unacceptable because they are producing the derived  
MPEG-4 download and you want your video to ONLY be available in OGG  
format? That choice is certainly yours to make and I won't try to  
convince you otherwise; I just wanted to clarify that Archive.org will  
also offer the original OGG version.

Quoting Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>:
> hi,
>
> i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share  
> theora and vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of  
>  contemporary art projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing  
> free/open  source project" with art students in gropus of 50-120. as  
> a part of  the project we want to share the video and audio content  
> created for  the project as copyleft and  free/open source. that's  
> why i am  looking for a service that won't conflict with the idea of  
> copyleft  and open source. i need a service to host for download and  
> share big  theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.  
> unfotunately  vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts  
> theora but  converts it to mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit  
> etc all  have time and file size limitations. wikimedia doesn't work  
> for me  either.  i found a service called wikiupload.com but it  
> doesn't seem  a trustable service.
>
> shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded  
> ogg files without time limit that also supports open source  
> ideology. i will share the links of 3 projects i have already done  
> with you as soon as their websites are ready.
>



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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:38 +0100
From: "michel memeteau" <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    files
To: saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com
Cc: theora at xiph.org
Message-ID:
    <c7fe8b8c0901070818x5a38c9c6oea8fc01472a124e9 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, <saulgoode at
flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com>wrote:
> If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG
> file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see
> their recent policy change at:
>
>
http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
> )
>
that IS really interressting. What are the limits and eventually drawbacks
of submitting video contents to archive.org then ?

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:01:23 -0800
From: "Ralph Giles" <giles at xiph.org>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
Cc: theora at xiph.org
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Chris Double <chris.double at
double.co.nz> wrote:
> How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably
do
> what you want.
Amazon S3 will host individual files up to 5 GB, but it's paid, not
free hosting.

Archive.org will host CC-licensed theora content; you could check if
your copyleft license is suitable for them. They will transcode it to
patent-encumbered MPEG formats as well; I don't know if that's
objectionable to you.

Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format
for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed
to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,
and of course it's already been edited down...

-r


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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:25:32 +0100
From: "michel memeteau" <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
Cc: theora at xiph.org
Message-ID:
    <c7fe8b8c0901070225yb7e22ecx72eab86387967eef at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi , I usually use blip.tv as they can store and display the ogg theora
video. the drawback is that some french ISP seems to limit the bandwidth
access to blip

I then usually use theorasea.org to index it or include it on a blog using
Itheora



Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:57:25 +1300
From: "Chris Double" <chris.double at double.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
Cc: theora at xiph.org
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> i need a service to host for download and
> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.
How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do
what you want.

Chris.
-- 
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>>>>> "Orton" == Orton Akinci <ortonak at
yahoo.com> writes:
> hi, i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share
> theora and vorbis encoded ogg videos. 
What about setting up a bittorrent tracker, and just posting links to
your .torrent files os some blog or website?  This way you could
practically host files of unlimited size, at constant bandwidth cost.

Well, that wouldn't be completely _free_, but it doesn't cost much to
run a dyndns-enabled host on a standard DSL connection 24/7.  I guess
people in your project already have the required resources (i.e. DSL
flatrate), so what's keeping you from just utilizing that to seed your
torrents :)

And seeding with a swarm of bittorrent hosts behind standard DSL just
somehow fits the 'crowdsourcing' of your project's title.

David
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