The site: http://www.techimo.com/articles/index.pl?photo=33&SID=12&tag=SNnb323 has a review & comparison of several mpeg-4 codecs, and they also include vp3. (Be warned, it's a very big web page, due to all of the image examples!) Not really all that informative, but I thought somebody might be interested in hearing about it. *** On2 VP3 3.2.5.0 Positive: extreme low bitrate imaging efficiency Negative: fine detail blurring, fixed setting decoder Settings: defualt Note: On2 VP3 is not a MPEG-4 codec. It has been included to offer a proprietary codec comparison *** And later *** . On2 VP3 provides great quality for extremely low bitrates, though this is not a MPEG-4 codec. It appears this proprietary format scales better at low bitrates, while MPEG-4 rapidly taking over for image quality once bandwidth reaches 1000+ Kbps ranges. Due to the nature of its format VP3 tends to blur images as data rates fall instead of creating macroblock artifacts like MPEG-4. *** <p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'theora-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.