If they are useful, then one should note where they can be found and how to extract them for anyone not using a Debian-based distro. Saying just that they are in the Debian Testing repo, doesn't mean much to a non-Debian-er... On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 09:50:40PM +0000, Ady Ady via Syslinux wrote:> > Do note that not everyone is running a Debian based system, > > so "the current Debian Testing binary packages" are worthless to us. > > > Debian's packages can be downloaded and used by anyone, even without > having Debian as OS. Even Windows' users can do it. > > That's similar to downloading and using the upstream archive of > Syslinux, whichever OS you are using. > > The upstream official archive of Syslinux 6.04-pre1 is the latest > "successfully-working" available at this moment (in comparison to > 6.04-pre2 and 6.04-pre3, that will fail). Debian's packages located > either in the "Testing" repository or in the "Unstable" repository, are > more up-to-date than upstream's 6.04-pre1, and they are not a complete > failure (in contrast to upstream's 6.04-pre2 and 6.04-pre3). > > All things considered, I definitely wouldn't call Debian's packages > "worthless" for non-Debian users. > > The current status of development of Syslinux leaves users with very > few pragmatical choices (if/when we limit ourselves to Syslinux). > > Regards, > Ady. > > _______________________________________________ > Syslinux mailing list > Submissions to Syslinux at syslinux.org > Unsubscribe or set options at: > https://lists.syslinux.org/syslinux-- Dr. William R. Somsky somsky at uw.edu Department of Physics, Box 351560 B217 Phys-Astro Bldg Univ. of Washington, Seattle WA 98195-1560 206-616-2954
> If they are useful, then one should note where they can be found > and how to extract them for anyone not using a Debian-based distro. > Saying just that they are in the Debian Testing repo, doesn't mean much > to a non-Debian-er...A rhetorical question would then be: how many times I should/shall/must explain the same procedure and post the same links. I have been participating in the Syslinux mailing list for several years, and I have replied to many emails with information that has (already) been previously posted, sometimes by others, sometimes by myself. Unfortunately, the development status of Syslinux only contributes to such undesired repeating situation. Perhaps a more positive reply to my email would had been something like "I didn't know that anyone could download Debian's packages. Would you please show (me) how to do it, or point (me) to some place where users could find the information?". Let's assume you actually did that (in your own way). I'll give one example (which I have provided in the past, more than once, and yet, I'll do it again). If you go to: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/syslinux-efi/download ... among additional info, you will see a (partial) list of mirrors. You either click on one of the mirrors in order to download the "syslinux-efi" binary package from the "Unstable" (aka "Sid") repository, or you can show the complete list of mirrors and move forward from there (which, perhaps, might be easier when downloading several different packages using this method). Once you have the ".deb" file (that you just downloaded), you handle it as any other archive (using whichever OS and tools you already have). For instance, a Windows' user could use 7-zip to open/extract the content of that ".deb" archive, which would be shown as a ".tar" file. The same 7-zip tool can open/extract the content of this ".tar" file. Eventually, this user would find, among others: usr/lib/SYSLINUX.EFI/efi64/syslinux.efi (or rather with "\" under Windows, instead of "/"). That's one example. In a recent email I have already posted a list of current Syslinux-related packages in Debian, so, based on that example, you can find the others too. Off-topic: please avoid top-posting whenever possible. TIA. Regards, Ady.
For William R. Somsky: On 14 Nov 2019 at 23:38, Ady Ady via Syslinux wrote:> If you go to: > > https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/syslinux-efi/download > > ... among additional info, you will see a (partial) list of mirrors. >[...etc,] I'd like to second that - the .DEB is really a renamed targzipped tarball, and the bootloader binaries are in fact pretty distro-agnostic, as they do not depend on libc or anything else in the user space. It's a boot loader, see? :-) Let me repeat the following from my message:> > Currently, the Syslinux-related binary packages in Debian are: > > > > _ extlinux > > _ isolinux > > _ pxelinux > > _ syslinux > > _ syslinux-common > > _ syslinux-efi > > _ syslinux-utils > > > okay thanks a lot for explaining that :-) > So for the record at the moment: > I've tried the syslinux.efi from > syslinux-efi_6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-1_all.deb > and ldlinux.e64 from > syslinux-common_6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-1_all.deb >the two packages (tarballs) are at: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/syslinux-efi/download https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/syslinux-common/download> The current status of development of Syslinux leaves users with > very few pragmatical choices (if/when we limit ourselves to > Syslinux). >Apologies for following up on that subversive note: I have recently obtained the following gem of advice from someone called Randy Goldenberg in the help-grub at gnu.org mailing list:> I recommend iPXE. > http://ipxe.org/;-) Sorry to claim that here, but in my experience of the last few days, WRT UEFI netbooting, that advice is spot on :-D See also the attached primitive configuration example, and that's probably just scratching the surface. It's funny. I've known and used iPXE before, for ages, for its original primary purpose: as a PXE bootROM. The bit I've been missing was that today, it's also pretty useful as a chain-loadable network bootloader that can start Linux kernels directly, can have a "config file" (a script really) etc. Frank Rysanek -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: ipxe.tgz Date: 8 Nov 2019, 14:43 Size: 1537 bytes. Type: Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ipxe.tgz Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1537 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.syslinux.org/archives/syslinux/attachments/20191115/9361f63e/attachment.obj>