similar to: Design changes are done in Fedora

On Thu, January 8, 2015 10:44 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, James B. Byrne <byrnejb at harte-lyne.ca> > wrote: >> >> A perusal of the contents of both the Fedora devel list and users list >> does not give one much hope that such a point of view would be >> tolerated, much less welcomed. > > Exactly. They don't care about

On Wed, January 7, 2015 09:48, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 08:45:29PM -0600, John R. Dennison wrote: >> It's not relevant in _any_ sense. CentOS is nothing more than (at >> it's core) a rebuild of RHEL. This type of nonsense should be >> directed to Red Hat in a Red Hat venue. It's nothing but >> off-topic noise here as CentOS will

On Thu, January 8, 2015 10:52 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Warren Young <wyml at etr-usa.com> wrote: >>> >> Would the world really be a better place if CDE had never been replaced? >> Me, I???ll take GNOME 3 and all its warts over CDE any day of the week. >> CDE never would have *evolved* to be the equal of GNOME; it had to be

On Mon, January 12, 2015 11:00 am, Warren Young wrote: > On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> > wrote: > >> On Sun, January 11, 2015 11:22 am, Sven Kieske wrote: >>> >>> On 11.01.2015 03:42, James B. Byrne wrote: >>>> What does systemd buy the enterprise that sysinit did not provide? >>>>

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, James B. Byrne <byrnejb at harte-lyne.ca> wrote: > > A perusal of the contents of both the Fedora devel list and users list > does not give one much hope that such a point of view would be > tolerated, much less welcomed. Exactly. They don't care about breakage, only change. In the early days I tried to follow Fedora development and no one

On Fri, October 23, 2015 8:46 am, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally >>> (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates >>> - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around >>> 2.6

On Mon, December 29, 2014 9:02 am, James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Mon, December 29, 2014 04:22, Ned Slider wrote: >> What business model do you have that you >> can't build around a product guaranteed to be consistent/supported for >> the next 10 years? > > Well, despite the hype from Wall St., Bay St. and The City, a large number > of > organisations in the

On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >>> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if >>> I >>> look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way >>> back, -

On 01/11/2015 08:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: >>> On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>> On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >>>>> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at

On Mon, December 29, 2014 10:37 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Valeri Galtsev > <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Welcome to ipad generation folks! > > Yes, but Apple knows enough to stay out of the server business where > stability matters Not exactly. They claim they are in server business forever. There is something called

On Mon, January 12, 2015 8:20 am, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 08:38:03PM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux >> kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to >> that >> level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is >> quite >> a task. Less that

On Sun, January 11, 2015 5:16 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2015-01-11, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your >> thought half a step farther ;-) > > Or going even farther, if you like CentOS but not systemd, do the work > to get CentOS working without it. Unhappy Debian

On 2015-01-11, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your > thought half a step farther ;-) Or going even farther, if you like CentOS but not systemd, do the work to get CentOS working without it. Unhappy Debian users are trying to do this with Devuan. It seems extremely unlikely that

On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if I > look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way > back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins > were fighting with the consequences of this: >

On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > On Sun, January 11, 2015 11:22 am, Sven Kieske wrote: >> >> On 11.01.2015 03:42, James B. Byrne wrote: >>> What does systemd buy the enterprise that sysinit did not provide? >>> >> systemd has it's ugly downsides, but it >> _does_ provide much needed

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > Welcome to ipad generation folks! Yes, but Apple knows enough to stay out of the server business where stability matters - and they are more into selling content than code anyway. Client side things do need to deal with mobility these days - reconnecting automatically after sleep/wakeup and

On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: >> On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >>>> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >>>>> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite

On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > I question intelligence of an attitude that something > (that works for some people) has to be destroyed to make room for > something else one thinks to be more appropriate. The amount of actively-maintained software has always matched the available brainpower given over to its maintenance.

On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if >> I >> look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way >> back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins

On 01/11/2015 03:02 PM, Always Learning wrote: > On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sven Kieske wrote to Valeri Galtsev .... > >> I can't take this serious as it seems you didn't research any of the >> design goals of systemd and any of the shortcomings of old init systems. > Design goals ? Compatibility with and/or minimum disruption to existing > systems ? >