similar to: RFC: Moving toward Discord and Discourse for LLVM's discussions

The lists are working well for the people who are already invested in the community though - as was identified by Chandler they aren't working as well for new people. I'm an insanely confident Scotsman with just about zero fear of any/all social situations, and I've always found this mailing list to be utterly terrifying (thus I've been a 10 year mostly-lurker). My fear

FWIW I'm a fan of using open-source stuff for open-source projects. Discourse looks open source, but Discord doesn't as far as I can tell (?). On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:15 AM Chandler Carruth via cfe-dev < cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > Hello folks, > > I sent the message quoted below to llvm-dev@ just now, but it applies to > the whole community so sending an FYI

> > | mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, difficult, > and often intimidating for newcomers > > Um… what? While I know (via my own children) that folks nowadays use > multiple avenues of communication, it’s **really** hard to imagine email > as a **mechanism** being unfamiliar/difficult/intimidating. Moving to a > new mechanism wouldn’t alter the

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:32 AM David Tellenbach via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > +1 from my side for using "faster" or "more direct" communication channels > such > as Discord (no strong opinion on the choice of any particular tool here) > for > informal chats and discussions on a "support level". This is

But is it better or worse than IRC in this regard? On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:49 PM Daniel Chapiesky via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Daniel Chapiesky <dchapiesky2 at gmail.com> > Date: Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: Moving toward Discord and Discourse for >

David, I'm glad you mentioned Discord's T&Cs. I'm not generally concerned about these kinds of things, but Discord's seems particularly aggressive. Particularly the phrase "perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license" is... a lot. Since LLVM is a permissively licensed project I assume many of our contributors care about

On 11/19/19 9:09 AM, Zachary Turner via llvm-dev wrote: Note there is also Slack, which does not have these problems. Not sure why that keeps being overlooked My understanding is this is because Slack does not have good moderation tools. I'm unfamiliar with further details in this regard. -Hal On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Zachary Turner <zturner at roblox.com<mailto:zturner at

There *are* open-source Discord clients, 3rd party tools and the like. The corporation behind Discord is just not authorising you legally to use any of those tools at hand. There are rarely any technical barriers or countermeasures, though. Roman Lebedev via cfe-dev <cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. nov. 18., H, 16:08): > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:10 PM Nico Weber via

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:49 PM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev < llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > | mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, difficult, > and often intimidating for newcomers > > > > Um… what? While I know (via my own children) that folks nowadays use > multiple avenues of communication, it’s **really** hard to imagine email > as a

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:55 AM David Chisnall via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > On 18/11/2019 16:39, Stefan Teleman via llvm-dev wrote: > > I can't recall an instance when I had difficulty using, or was > > intimidated by, email, for saying something on a mailing list. > > Subscribing to a mailing list, particularly one as high-traffic as >

Hi all, We’ve been having discussions over the last few weeks with stakeholders both inside and outside of AMD about where we could best have a dedicated and open discussion space for topics around the AMDGPU target. The conclusion was that we’d like to try the use of a category in the LLVM Discourse group, which is mostly used for MLIR discussion so far. I have started a Discourse topic with

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:18 PM Renato Golin <rengolin at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 08:44, Whisperity via llvm-dev > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > There *are* open-source Discord clients, 3rd party tools and the like. > > This is a big uphill fight that is rarelly worthy. Not to mention > privacy guarantees and terms and conditions

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:00 PM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have much personal interest here - but my understanding was > that there was/is a fair bit of pushback to fragmenting the > communications channels to discord before there's a more general > buy-in to switch over across the project? (perhaps I'm misremembering > the previous

If I am not mistaken, there are two things that are becoming clear: 1. For email, nobody seems to be against Discourse as long as the mailing lists are still a supported way to participate. So this seems non-controversial. 2. For IRC, people seem to be happy with switching to a more modern solution, but Discord is largely disliked by a significant portion of respondents. So perhaps we can focus

Slack's community moderation features are pretty terrible - it's simply not set up for managing public-facing communities; it's set up for managing private workplace team collaboration.  The best way to try to explain the features which are missing are to look at something like the Matrix moderation guide (https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/); many of these features are

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 21:36, Whisperity via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > there will be the other 70+ gaming-related servers constantly nagging for attention... I very literally cannot cope with that at all. I can't "just filter" the noise on my own, so, if that becomes the norm, I'll be forced to pass.

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 07:29, Kristina Brooks via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > While I understand the difficulty regarding mailing lists especially > if one isn't used to setting up mailboxes and filters to classify and > label emails and do think a web forum may be easier to use, I would > have concerns over Discord. Unlike IRC which has a fairly open

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:49 AM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: > > | mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, difficult, and often intimidating for newcomers > > > > Um… what? While I know (via my own children) that folks nowadays use multiple avenues of communication, it’s *really* hard to imagine email as a *mechanism*

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