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Dear all, I am trying to fit a model with crossed random effects using lme. In this experiment, I have been measuring oxygen consumption (mlmin) in bird nestlings, originating from three different treatments (treat), in a respirometer with 7 different channels (ch). I have also measured body mass (mass) for these birds. id nest treat year mlmin mass ch hack 1EP51711 17

Dear all, I am quite new at R and have a question about using lme with crossed random factors. I followed the instructions of Pinheiro & Bates, but that did not work because of the non grouping of my data. Reading prior threads ( http://www.mail-archive.com/r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch/msg10849.html), I found a solution to deal with non grouped data and crossed random factors in lme, by defining a grouping with one level and using it in the random part of the lme formula in the following way: one <-rep(1,length(y)) random=list(a=~1,one=~b) but with the comment, that I get "DF c...