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I''m curious -- how many of us came to Rails from other branches of the OO world -- Java, C# -- and how many of us came from the design or non-OO scripting worlds? Reason I ask is that I''m finding Rails a blast and very productive, but I think one reason is that I already cut my teeth on MVC and ORM during two years of writing apps with J2EE/Struts/Hibernate. And in Javaland, it