Refer to this:
https://legacyos.org/vsi-introduces-new-samba-release/
I noticed that VSI, the new owners of VMS, have created a package for
Samba4 under OpenVMS. I also notice the samba-vms list appears to be
abandoned (for years). So, I apologize for posting here on the general
list, but it seemed fruitless trying the dedicated list.
I am under the impression that the GPL v3 compels all code that extends
Samba to be released under the GPL. I'm currently hacking on and building
bits of Samba4 for VMS. I'd like to add/start with the changes which
appear to make Samba already run on VMS.
However, grepping through the source, I'm coming up short. I also don't
see any DCL scripts or a large number of #defines or #includes that would
indicate to me that this has been, at some point, ported to VMS.
Can someone set me straight? Where is this code or is it already in some
branch of the VCS ?
Thanks in advance to all.
Thanks,
Swift
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On Thu, 2020-06-11 at 17:02 -0600, Swift Griggs via samba wrote:> Refer to this: > https://legacyos.org/vsi-introduces-new-samba-release/ > > I noticed that VSI, the new owners of VMS, have created a package > for > Samba4 under OpenVMS. I also notice the samba-vms list appears to be > abandoned (for years). So, I apologize for posting here on the > general > list, but it seemed fruitless trying the dedicated list.I can't find any evidence in the source code for new patches to have Samba build on VMS, it certainly wasn't something we actively targetted when we moved from autoconf to WAF with Samba 4.1. Another 'odd' target, Stratos VOS had patches in Samba for a time, but instead worked to make Samba build without changes, by instead improving their own systems to be more compatible with Linux. Perhaps OpenVFS did the same?> I am under the impression that the GPL v3 compels all code that > extends > Samba to be released under the GPL. I'm currently hacking on and > building > bits of Samba4 for VMS. I'd like to add/start with the changes which > appear to make Samba already run on VMS.It is always best to start with working code. It would be best if VSI would pro-actively submit such changes.> However, grepping through the source, I'm coming up short. I also > don't > see any DCL scripts or a large number of #defines or #includes that > would > indicate to me that this has been, at some point, ported to VMS.> Can someone set me straight? Where is this code or is it already in > some > branch of the VCS ?Not likely. Anything that does exist in more than a very-WIP form by an individual developer will be in master (we don't keep around official feature branches). This is the first I've heard of VMS in most of the 20 years I've been around Samba. Of course I saw the old list but don't recall patches to support it, even in the autoconf days. However I do know the standard-bearer for OpenVMS was John E. Malmberg (wb8tyw). When I was last closing old OpenVMS bugs this was the most recent port I could find: http://www.ccsscorp.com/VMSblog/index.php?m=05&y=16&entry=entry160521-083131 All the best for your search! Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartlett https://samba.org/~abartlet/ Authentication Developer, Samba Team https://samba.org Samba Developer, Catalyst IT https://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020, Andrew Bartlett via samba wrote:> I can't find any evidence in the source code for new patches to have > Samba build on VMSOkay, well, at least I didn't just overlook something.> it certainly wasn't something we actively targeted when we moved from > autoconf to WAF with Samba 4.1.I'd be shocked if you did. Python 3.x isn't available on OpenVMS just yet (only 2.7 works AFAIK). The waf-based build looks like it's not going to be too friendly if I don't get a version of Python it'll cooperate with. Looking at the code, it seems it's Python 3.x specific.> Another 'odd' target, Stratos VOS had patches in Samba for a time, but > instead worked to make Samba build without changes, by instead improving > their own systems to be more compatible with Linux.That is interesting. OpenVMS has the GNV project as an analog, but it's nowhere near as mature or useful yet as VOS's POSIX layer and porting kit.> It is always best to start with working code. It would be best if VSI > would pro-actively submit such changes.Agreed. I've never asked someone to comply with the GPL before. I guess I was always innocent enough to believe that if someone started with a couple of million lines of code from elsewhere, they would honor the wishes of the parent project. However, maybe it's just that nobody has asked them or that I'm not looking in the right place. I always start by assuming positive intent.> Not likely. Anything that does exist in more than a very-WIP form by an > individual developer will be in master (we don't keep around official > feature branches).Okay, that helps to know. I'll try to talk to the VSI people directly.> This is the first I've heard of VMS in most of the 20 years I've been > around Samba.OpenVMS is still alive. We still have a lot of customers who use one of three products for CIFS/SMB on VMS. The oldest Pathworks which I think is just a basic LANmanager client. Then there is "Advanced Server" which I think is a straight port of Lanmanager (bought directly from IBM then worked up to be VMS-ish). There is also a Samba 2.x package which HP ported before they divorced and underwent mitosis into HP & HPE. Andy Goldstien of HP wrote a big presentation about HP's porting efforts in Samba 3.x and said they'd started hacking on Samba 4, too. No product of those efforts ever saw the light of day in source form. Not that the terms of the GPLv3 have changed, though.> Of course I saw the old list but don't recall patches to support it, > even in the autoconf days.Nobody does. I can't find them. They are probably buried on some HP server that long got sent to the liquidators.> However I do know the standard-bearer for OpenVMS was John E. Malmberg > (wb8tyw).Thanks, I'll try to contact him.> When I was last closing old OpenVMS bugs this was the most recent port I > could find: > http://www.ccsscorp.com/VMSblog/index.php?m=05&y=16&entry=entry160521-083131Interesting. If someone else can do it, perhaps so can I. Problem is that I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Unix guy and I'm clumsy and slow in VMS, but that's okay.> All the best for your search!Thanks for your time and information, Andrew. -Swift PARSEC Group is proud to be recognized through both the Colorado Department of Higher Education and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs as an authorized training organization and is now accepting GI Bill funding. Follow @PARSECgroup on Twitter Find PARSEC Group on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ParsecGroup and LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/company/3041461?trk=tyah **The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message is privileged and confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us via e-mail and delete the original message. The opinions, conclusions and other information in this message do not necessarily represent the views and/or opinions of PARSEC Group.**