Rowland Penny
2018-Mar-28 17:17 UTC
[Samba] broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords"
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:16 +0200 Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> > > Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200 > > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200 > >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > >>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200 > >>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc: > >>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but how come it's > >>>>>>> correctly encoded in the DN and not in the attribute ? > >>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on mailing-lists > >>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> proper mail clients respect > >>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a wrong reply-to > >>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for sure contain one > >>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that > >>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> > >>>>> > >>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the OP's mail client > >>>> > >>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not part of the > >>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you look > >>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the samba > >>>> ML has this stupid "Reply-To" header > >>>> > >>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird understand > >>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the "Reply-List"-button) > >>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> > >>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org> > >>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org > >>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org> > >>> > >>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to NOT remove > >>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman' recommends, so I don't > >>> see it changing > >> > >> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because > >> it *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message > >> coming from this list > >> > >> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example where > >> you can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the > >> reply-to header in the middle of headers populated by the list > >> server > >> > >> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single > >> message of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters > >> address > >> > >> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which > >> don't do that also use mailman what is the point of your > >> discussion? > >> > > > > When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to 'Poster' > > > > AND > > > > From Mailman help: > > > > This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in > > messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no > > Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in > > the original message, it is not stripped. > > > > AND > > > > In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this: > > > > Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> > > in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken > mailing-list" > > > Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so where > > is it coming from ?? > from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period > how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it? > > i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for > sure don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret > maildomains and would know that) > > i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald > <h.reindl at thelounge.net>" only exists in mails from the samba-list, > not on any other mailing-list and when i press "reply" on such a mail > it becomes a off-list message which is terrible > >We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the 'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be Thunderbird ? There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother replying. Rowland
Reindl Harald
2018-Mar-28 17:28 UTC
[Samba] broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords"
Am 28.03.2018 um 19:17 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:> We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the > 'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it > must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be > Thunderbird?no it could not why should Thunderbird invite a header in the *middle* of *reveived message headers* and only in case of the samba-list you even said at at your own "In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this: Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>"> There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother > replyingi just don't believe that you proper checked if you see "Reply-To" headers in message from me received over the samba-mailing list they are added at the samba infrastructure - it's that easy - period *every* single message from this mailing list has a reply-to header to the poster, independent who is the poster, no other mailing-list on planet earth has a reply-to-header - it's that simple - period consult a mailadmin because it don't matter if it's mailmain or some other borked piece of the samaba mail-infrastructure, it's not on my end
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 19:28 +0200, Reindl Harald via samba wrote:> *every* single message from this mailing list has a reply-to header to > the poster, independent who is the poster, no other mailing-list on > planet earth has a reply-to-header - it's that simple - periodSo, e-mail is hard these days, and mailing list e-mail is even harder. Read up about the interactions between DKIM, DMARC and mailing lists here: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM Either we change the From (and so need to set a Reply-To otherwise it becomes impossible to do a private reply, which is needed sometimes) or we get every google user booted off the list whenever a yahoo user posts. It sucks all round. Samba uses the last option listed in the table there. (Historically, we used to set reply-to to the mailing list, to avoid accidental private replies). I hope this clarifies things, Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartlett http://samba.org/~abartlet/ Authentication Developer, Samba Team http://samba.org Samba Developer, Catalyst IT http://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba
Harry Jede
2018-Mar-28 18:12 UTC
[Samba] broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords"
I have attached your mail in source text format. Harald or Rowland maybe right. 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<20180328174716.5352ffb9 at devstation.samdom.example.com> <610ac24e-9952-53b5-f16d-09710e162b58 at thelounge.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Samba] broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords" X-BeenThere: samba at lists.samba.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General questions regarding Samba <samba.lists.samba.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba>, <mailto:samba-request at lists.samba.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba/> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org> List-Help: <mailto:samba-request at lists.samba.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba>, <mailto:samba-request at lists.samba.org?subject=subscribe> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org Sender: "samba" <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org> X-VRC-SPAM-STATUS: 0,65,gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtgedrfedtgddutddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfgigfgfnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecuogetfedtuddqtdduucdludehmdenogetfeejfedqtdegucdlhedtmdenucfjughrpeffvffkjghfofggufhpjefjgedufedthfhrtgfgvghssehtjeertdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpeftohiflhgrnhguucfrvghnnhihuchvihgruchsrghmsggruceoshgrmhgsrgeslhhishhtshdrshgrmhgsrgdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehsrghmsggrrdhorhhgnecukfhppedugeegrdejiedrkedvrddugeejpddvrgdtudemgehfkeemudelvdemgeekieemmedugeejmedunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrgihmshhgshhiiigvpedutdegkeehjeeipdhhvghlohephhhruddrshgrmhgsrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedugeegrdejiedrkedvrddugeejpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepshgrmhgsrgdqsghouhhntggvsheslhhishhtshdrshgrmhgsrgdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopeifrghlkhdvshhunhesrghrtghorhdruggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-VRSPAM-STATE: legit X-VR-SPAM-STATE: 0 X-VR-SPAM-SCORE: 65 X-VR-SPF-RESULT: nil X-Virus-Status-VR: clean X-Virus-Status-CA: clean X-VRC-POLICY-STATUS: t=1,a=1,l=0 X-VRC-POLICY-STATUS: t=1,a=1,l=0 On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:16 +0200 Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> > > Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200 > > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200 > >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba: > >>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200 > >>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc: > >>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but how come it's > >>>>>>> correctly encoded in the DN and not in the attribute ? > >>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on mailing-lists > >>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> proper mail clients respect > >>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a wrong reply-to > >>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for sure contain one > >>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that > >>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> > >>>>> > >>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the OP's mail client > >>>> > >>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not part of the > >>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you look > >>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the samba > >>>> ML has this stupid "Reply-To" header > >>>> > >>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird understand > >>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the "Reply-List"-button) > >>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> > >>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org> > >>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org > >>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org> > >>> > >>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to NOT remove > >>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman' recommends, so I don't > >>> see it changing > >> > >> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because > >> it *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message > >> coming from this list > >> > >> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example where > >> you can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the > >> reply-to header in the middle of headers populated by the list > >> server > >> > >> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single > >> message of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters > >> address > >> > >> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which > >> don't do that also use mailman what is the point of your > >> discussion? > >> > > > > When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to 'Poster' > > > > AND > > > > From Mailman help: > > > > This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in > > messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no > > Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in > > the original message, it is not stripped. > > > > AND > > > > In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this: > > > > Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> > > in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken > mailing-list" > > > Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so where > > is it coming from ?? > from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period > how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it? > > i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for > sure don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret > maildomains and would know that) > > i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald > <h.reindl at thelounge.net>" only exists in mails from the samba-list, > not on any other mailing-list and when i press "reply" on such a mail > it becomes a off-list message which is terrible > >We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the 'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be Thunderbird ? There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother replying. Rowland -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba