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devzero at web.de

2014-Dec-12 17:04 UTC

Aw: Re: Re: rsync not copy all information for font file

what is the source and destination filesystem?

here is some report that rsync has some problem with HFS+ filesystems and
"ressource forks": http://quesera.com/reynhout/misc/rsync+hfsmode/

but as you are using ubuntu and not osx i`m curious what`s the problem, so i
think we need more information here.

regards
roland

> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 15:31 Uhr
> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
> Betreff: Re: Aw: Re:  rsync not copy all information for font file
>
> Some more details on my problem.
> The machine have Ubuntu 12.04 with rsync version 3.0.9
> I am using this server as data server using "Netatalk" for share
with apple OS for my graphics work, so here i save my work containing file
created by (indesign, photoshop, illustrator, quark xpress, mathtype etc.)
> I have try to backup my shared folder on external HDD using
"rsync" mounting external HDD in local. But in backup copy the font
file result Zero kb.
> 
> Here is the result i try to backup only the folder containing font.
> Here PROVA_BKP_SRC is source directory(folder on local HDD) and BKP_DES is
folder on external HDD mounted in local.
> 
> # rsync -av PROVA_BKP_SRC/ /BKP_DES/
> sending incremental file list
> ./
> :2eDS_Store
> Times Bold Italic/
> Times Bold Italic/BI Times BoldItalic
> Times Bold Italic/TimesBolIta
> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/
> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/BI Times BoldItalic
> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesBolIta
> Times Bold/
> Times Bold/B Times Bold
> Times Bold/TimesBol
> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/
> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/.Parent
> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/B Times Bold
> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/TimesBol
> Times Italic/
> Times Italic/I Times Italic
> Times Italic/TimesIta
> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/
> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/I Times Italic
> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesIta
> Times Roman/
> Times Roman/Times
> Times Roman/TimesRom
> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/
> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/.Parent
> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/Times
> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/TimesRom
> 
> sent 183840 bytes  received 447 bytes  368574.00 bytes/sec
> total size is 183542  speedup is 1.00
> --------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 13.02, devzero at web.de ha scritto:
> 
> > yes
> > 
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 12:59 Uhr
> >> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
> >> An: devzero at web.de
> >> Betreff: Re: Aw: rsync not copy all information for font file
> >> 
> >> Ronald, 
> >> thanks a lot for your kind suggestion and for compliments on my
english(i take it like compliments :-) )
> >> I will try after sometime as you say me and than update you.
> >> so now command i have to use is 
> >> 
> >> "rsync -av /source_folder /Destination_folder" ?
> >> 
> >> Thanks again
> >> Ram
> >> 
> >> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 11.27, devzero at web.de ha
scritto:
> >> 
> >>> you mean, rsync "silently" creates 0kb sized files
and only a special type of file shows this behaviour?
> >>> 
> >>> try increasing rsync verbosity with "-v" , delete
the 0kb files and retry. you can send the output of rsync to this list if it`s
not too long if you don`t get a clue from that. mind that it may contain private
information.
> >>> 
> >>> you should also omit "-z" because it makes no sense
for local transfer. you do not want compression here, because it slows things
down and burns cpu for nothing.
> >>> 
> >>> regards
> >>> roland
> >>> 
> >>> ps:
> >>> i`m no native english speaker, but i think your english is
quite ok.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 10:44 Uhr
> >>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
> >>>> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
> >>>> Betreff: rsync not copy all information for font file
> >>>> 
> >>>> Good morning list, 
> >>>> this is my first question and hope really to get an
answer, sorry for my bad english :-(
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ok so i have a machine with ubuntu and use as data server
for my graphics works.
> >>>> Now i am trying to backup my folder on an external HDD
using "rsync" where i save all my data file (file of graphics
software, image, font etc.).
> >>>> For this i mount HDD in local and launch command
"rsync  -avz  source_folder  destination_folder.
> >>>> I notice that in backup copy font file have zero kb size
rather than 25-60 kb in source folder and i can't use the font from backup
folder as it results zero kb.
> >>>> Can someone help me to solve this issue.
> >>>> Thanks in advance to all for reading this and spend your
time.
> >>>> Ram
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting
the mailing list.
> >>>> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
> >>>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >>>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> -- 
> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing list.
> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
> Before posting, read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

Bryan Pliatsios

2014-Dec-14 10:12 UTC

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Hi Ram,

  In OS X, some font types (not all) put the font payload in the resource fork.
Netatalk provides AFP filesharing, imitating the resource forks by creating
secondary files in ?.Appledouble? folders within each folder. Netatalk tracks
the resource forks, and other metadata, by keeping a ?Desktop database? at the
root of the shared volume ? look for .AppleDesktop, and .AppleDB.

  You can double check the font still has its payload by looking at the size of
?./.Appledouble/fontname.ext"
  To use the backup, you have to present that storage on a machine that has
Netatalk, AND to rebuild the 'desktop file?.
  To rebuild the desktop: ?sudo dbd -r /home/AFPshare?, or just to check it use
"-s? for a scan.  I usually stop the service, run the scan piped to ?wc -l?
and then do a rebuild, scan and count the errors, rebuild, etc until the number
of error lines stops going down, or is zero. If there are still errors (usually
codepage issues from moving between platforms) I check the files and work out
how to fix it.

  My best recommendation is to move away from Netatalk and go to Samba. It?s not
perfect, but with OSX10.10 things are starting to get better. Samba removes the
custom .Appledouble and the database, forcing the client computer to create
?dot-underscore? files (fontname.ext & ._fontname.ext).

  Also worth noting, Apple still ships rsync 2.6.9 with OSX10.10! The same
version since late 10.4 version. I?ve followed the suggestion of Mike Bombich
who writes CarbonCopyCloner and built a universal 3.0.7 executable which I
deploy to all my Apple servers.

OSX 10.10 native:> rsync  version 2.6.9  protocol version 29
> Copyright (C) 1996-2006 by Andrew Tridgell, Wayne Davison, and others.
> <http://rsync.samba.org/>
> Capabilities: 64-bit files, socketpairs, hard links, symlinks, batchfiles,
>               inplace, IPv6, 64-bit system inums, 64-bit internal inums

per Bombich instructions:> Capabilities:
>     64-bit files, 32-bit inums, 64-bit timestamps, 64-bit long ints,
>     socketpairs, hardlinks, symlinks, IPv6, batchfiles, inplace,
>     append, ACLs, xattrs, no iconv, symtimes, file-flags
> file rsync3 
> rsync3: Mach-O universal binary with 3 architectures
> rsync3 (for architecture ppc):	Mach-O executable ppc
> rsync3 (for architecture i386):	Mach-O executable i386
> rsync3 (for architecture x86_64):	Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64


Regards,

   Bryan
> On 13 Dec 2014, at 4:04 am, devzero at web.de wrote:
> 
> what is the source and destination filesystem?
> 
> here is some report that rsync has some problem with HFS+ filesystems and
"ressource forks": http://quesera.com/reynhout/misc/rsync+hfsmode/
> 
> but as you are using ubuntu and not osx i`m curious what`s the problem, so
i think we need more information here.
> 
> regards
> roland
> 
> 
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 15:31 Uhr
>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
>> Betreff: Re: Aw: Re:  rsync not copy all information for font file
>> 
>> Some more details on my problem.
>> The machine have Ubuntu 12.04 with rsync version 3.0.9
>> I am using this server as data server using "Netatalk" for
share with apple OS for my graphics work, so here i save my work containing file
created by (indesign, photoshop, illustrator, quark xpress, mathtype etc.)
>> I have try to backup my shared folder on external HDD using
"rsync" mounting external HDD in local. But in backup copy the font
file result Zero kb.
>> 
>> Here is the result i try to backup only the folder containing font.
>> Here PROVA_BKP_SRC is source directory(folder on local HDD) and BKP_DES
is folder on external HDD mounted in local.
>> 
>> # rsync -av PROVA_BKP_SRC/ /BKP_DES/
>> sending incremental file list
>> ./
>> :2eDS_Store
>> Times Bold Italic/
>> Times Bold Italic/BI Times BoldItalic
>> Times Bold Italic/TimesBolIta
>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/
>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/BI Times BoldItalic
>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesBolIta
>> Times Bold/
>> Times Bold/B Times Bold
>> Times Bold/TimesBol
>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/
>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/B Times Bold
>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/TimesBol
>> Times Italic/
>> Times Italic/I Times Italic
>> Times Italic/TimesIta
>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/
>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/I Times Italic
>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesIta
>> Times Roman/
>> Times Roman/Times
>> Times Roman/TimesRom
>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/
>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/Times
>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/TimesRom
>> 
>> sent 183840 bytes  received 447 bytes  368574.00 bytes/sec
>> total size is 183542  speedup is 1.00
>> --------------
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 13.02, devzero at web.de ha scritto:
>> 
>>> yes
>>> 
>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 12:59 Uhr
>>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>>>> An: devzero at web.de
>>>> Betreff: Re: Aw: rsync not copy all information for font file
>>>> 
>>>> Ronald, 
>>>> thanks a lot for your kind suggestion and for compliments on my
english(i take it like compliments :-) )
>>>> I will try after sometime as you say me and than update you.
>>>> so now command i have to use is 
>>>> 
>>>> "rsync -av /source_folder /Destination_folder" ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> Ram
>>>> 
>>>> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 11.27, devzero at web.de ha
scritto:
>>>> 
>>>>> you mean, rsync "silently" creates 0kb sized
files and only a special type of file shows this behaviour?
>>>>> 
>>>>> try increasing rsync verbosity with "-v" , delete
the 0kb files and retry. you can send the output of rsync to this list if it`s
not too long if you don`t get a clue from that. mind that it may contain private
information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> you should also omit "-z" because it makes no
sense for local transfer. you do not want compression here, because it slows
things down and burns cpu for nothing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> regards
>>>>> roland
>>>>> 
>>>>> ps:
>>>>> i`m no native english speaker, but i think your english is
quite ok.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 10:44 Uhr
>>>>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>>>>>> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
>>>>>> Betreff: rsync not copy all information for font file
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good morning list, 
>>>>>> this is my first question and hope really to get an
answer, sorry for my bad english :-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok so i have a machine with ubuntu and use as data
server for my graphics works.
>>>>>> Now i am trying to backup my folder on an external HDD
using "rsync" where i save all my data file (file of graphics
software, image, font etc.).
>>>>>> For this i mount HDD in local and launch command
"rsync  -avz  source_folder  destination_folder.
>>>>>> I notice that in backup copy font file have zero kb
size rather than 25-60 kb in source folder and i can't use the font from
backup folder as it results zero kb.
>>>>>> Can someone help me to solve this issue.
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to all for reading this and spend
your time.
>>>>>> Ram
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting
the mailing list.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
>>>>>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing
list.
>> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> 
> -- 
> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing list.
> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
> Before posting, read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Ram Ballu

2014-Dec-15 15:22 UTC

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Hi Bryan, 
thanks for your kind reply but it happend only with some fonts not all font
file, (email with attachment is under verification by admin, so i resend this
without attachment file) here i attach 2 screenshot one original folder and
second backup folder, you can notice that the font .otf, .ttf, .dfont have no
problem in rsync it copied as it is but the font that not show extension (Font
suitcase and post script font) have the problem.
And this make me think how it is possible to not copying data as it is only
because there is no extension?
Thanks for your suggestion for samba but i am still using OS X 10.6.8 and not
sure if Samba support OSX 10.6
CarbonCopyCloner i have tried but very slow it takes a lot of time. Rsync is
very fast and for this i like rsync.
Ram


Il giorno 14/dic/2014, alle ore 11.12, Bryan Pliatsios ha scritto:
> Hi Ram,
> 
>   In OS X, some font types (not all) put the font payload in the resource
fork. Netatalk provides AFP filesharing, imitating the resource forks by
creating secondary files in ?.Appledouble? folders within each folder. Netatalk
tracks the resource forks, and other metadata, by keeping a ?Desktop database?
at the root of the shared volume ? look for .AppleDesktop, and .AppleDB.
> 
>   You can double check the font still has its payload by looking at the
size of ?./.Appledouble/fontname.ext"
>   To use the backup, you have to present that storage on a machine that has
Netatalk, AND to rebuild the 'desktop file?.
>   To rebuild the desktop: ?sudo dbd -r /home/AFPshare?, or just to check it
use "-s? for a scan.  I usually stop the service, run the scan piped to ?wc
-l? and then do a rebuild, scan and count the errors, rebuild, etc until the
number of error lines stops going down, or is zero. If there are still errors
(usually codepage issues from moving between platforms) I check the files and
work out how to fix it.
> 
>   My best recommendation is to move away from Netatalk and go to Samba.
It?s not perfect, but with OSX10.10 things are starting to get better. Samba
removes the custom .Appledouble and the database, forcing the client computer to
create ?dot-underscore? files (fontname.ext & ._fontname.ext).
> 
>   Also worth noting, Apple still ships rsync 2.6.9 with OSX10.10! The same
version since late 10.4 version. I?ve followed the suggestion of Mike Bombich
who writes CarbonCopyCloner and built a universal 3.0.7 executable which I
deploy to all my Apple servers.
> 
> OSX 10.10 native:
>> rsync  version 2.6.9  protocol version 29
>> Copyright (C) 1996-2006 by Andrew Tridgell, Wayne Davison, and others.
>> <http://rsync.samba.org/>
>> Capabilities: 64-bit files, socketpairs, hard links, symlinks,
batchfiles,
>>               inplace, IPv6, 64-bit system inums, 64-bit internal inums
> 
> 
> per Bombich instructions:
>> Capabilities:
>>     64-bit files, 32-bit inums, 64-bit timestamps, 64-bit long ints,
>>     socketpairs, hardlinks, symlinks, IPv6, batchfiles, inplace,
>>     append, ACLs, xattrs, no iconv, symtimes, file-flags
> 
>> file rsync3 
>> rsync3: Mach-O universal binary with 3 architectures
>> rsync3 (for architecture ppc):	Mach-O executable ppc
>> rsync3 (for architecture i386):	Mach-O executable i386
>> rsync3 (for architecture x86_64):	Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Bryan
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2014, at 4:04 am, devzero at web.de wrote:
>> 
>> what is the source and destination filesystem?
>> 
>> here is some report that rsync has some problem with HFS+ filesystems
and "ressource forks": http://quesera.com/reynhout/misc/rsync+hfsmode/
>> 
>> but as you are using ubuntu and not osx i`m curious what`s the problem,
so i think we need more information here.
>> 
>> regards
>> roland
>> 
>> 
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 15:31 Uhr
>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>>> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Aw: Re:  rsync not copy all information for font file
>>> 
>>> Some more details on my problem.
>>> The machine have Ubuntu 12.04 with rsync version 3.0.9
>>> I am using this server as data server using "Netatalk"
for share with apple OS for my graphics work, so here i save my work containing
file created by (indesign, photoshop, illustrator, quark xpress, mathtype etc.)
>>> I have try to backup my shared folder on external HDD using
"rsync" mounting external HDD in local. But in backup copy the font
file result Zero kb.
>>> 
>>> Here is the result i try to backup only the folder containing font.
>>> Here PROVA_BKP_SRC is source directory(folder on local HDD) and
BKP_DES is folder on external HDD mounted in local.
>>> 
>>> # rsync -av PROVA_BKP_SRC/ /BKP_DES/
>>> sending incremental file list
>>> ./
>>> :2eDS_Store
>>> Times Bold Italic/
>>> Times Bold Italic/BI Times BoldItalic
>>> Times Bold Italic/TimesBolIta
>>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/
>>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/BI Times BoldItalic
>>> Times Bold Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesBolIta
>>> Times Bold/
>>> Times Bold/B Times Bold
>>> Times Bold/TimesBol
>>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/
>>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/B Times Bold
>>> Times Bold/.AppleDouble/TimesBol
>>> Times Italic/
>>> Times Italic/I Times Italic
>>> Times Italic/TimesIta
>>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/
>>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/I Times Italic
>>> Times Italic/.AppleDouble/TimesIta
>>> Times Roman/
>>> Times Roman/Times
>>> Times Roman/TimesRom
>>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/
>>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/.Parent
>>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/Times
>>> Times Roman/.AppleDouble/TimesRom
>>> 
>>> sent 183840 bytes  received 447 bytes  368574.00 bytes/sec
>>> total size is 183542  speedup is 1.00
>>> --------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 13.02, devzero at web.de ha
scritto:
>>> 
>>>> yes
>>>> 
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 12:59 Uhr
>>>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>>>>> An: devzero at web.de
>>>>> Betreff: Re: Aw: rsync not copy all information for font
file
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ronald, 
>>>>> thanks a lot for your kind suggestion and for compliments
on my english(i take it like compliments :-) )
>>>>> I will try after sometime as you say me and than update
you.
>>>>> so now command i have to use is 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "rsync -av /source_folder /Destination_folder" ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>> Ram
>>>>> 
>>>>> Il giorno 12/dic/2014, alle ore 11.27, devzero at web.de ha
scritto:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> you mean, rsync "silently" creates 0kb sized
files and only a special type of file shows this behaviour?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> try increasing rsync verbosity with "-v" ,
delete the 0kb files and retry. you can send the output of rsync to this list if
it`s not too long if you don`t get a clue from that. mind that it may contain
private information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> you should also omit "-z" because it makes no
sense for local transfer. you do not want compression here, because it slows
things down and burns cpu for nothing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> roland
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ps:
>>>>>> i`m no native english speaker, but i think your english
is quite ok.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 um 10:44 Uhr
>>>>>>> Von: "Ram Ballu" <ram at edom.it>
>>>>>>> An: rsync at lists.samba.org
>>>>>>> Betreff: rsync not copy all information for font
file
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good morning list, 
>>>>>>> this is my first question and hope really to get an
answer, sorry for my bad english :-(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok so i have a machine with ubuntu and use as data
server for my graphics works.
>>>>>>> Now i am trying to backup my folder on an external
HDD using "rsync" where i save all my data file (file of graphics
software, image, font etc.).
>>>>>>> For this i mount HDD in local and launch command
"rsync  -avz  source_folder  destination_folder.
>>>>>>> I notice that in backup copy font file have zero kb
size rather than 25-60 kb in source folder and i can't use the font from
backup folder as it results zero kb.
>>>>>>> Can someone help me to solve this issue.
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to all for reading this and spend
your time.
>>>>>>> Ram
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid
omitting the mailing list.
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
>>>>>>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing
list.
>>> To unsubscribe or change options:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync
>>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing
list.
>> To unsubscribe or change options:
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>> Before posting, read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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