The only circumstance where i could see symlink ownership being an issue would be in the case where one might need to be changed, on those systems which support that. Most i've seen delete and recreate the link, so if the person needing to own the link has write, with no sticky bit, on the containing directory,, he's good to go. Can anyone see another issue? Certainly, the whole inane follow-link behaviour of chown and chmod are big traps. I was shocked to see a chown down a users directory tree on solaris make him the owner of many system files on the system i did it from (nfs user dirs), and won't make the same mistake twice. If rsync isn't going to have predictable behaviour on chowning (chmodding too, on some systems), perhaps we should let it leave ownerships and modes on symlinks at the system default. Scenario: I have an account on a system being backed up to another system, with rsync. I link /etc/security/password (or /etc/shadow/password, or /etc/shadow) into my tree. i get backed up. I go to the other system. I edit /etc/passwd, since it now belongs to me, moving my password into root's password field ( saving the old one so i can cover my tracks). I log in as root. I do what I want. I put the password back and fix the ownership. I log back out of root. If rsync gets a lchown or sensible chown, this won't happen, if it doesn't, it could. Tim Conway tim.conway@philips.com 303.682.4917 Philips Semiconductor - Longmont TC 1880 Industrial Circle, Suite D Longmont, CO 80501 Available via SameTime Connect within Philips, n9hmg on AIM perl -e 'print pack(nnnnnnnnnnnn, 19061,29556,8289,28271,29800,25970,8304,25970,27680,26721,25451,25970), ".\n" ' "There are some who call me.... Tim?"