Hi all, What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. Many thanks in advance! Tim
Tim Walker wrote:> Hi all, > > What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc > thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, > etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is > the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. > > Many thanks in advance! > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >Have you seen the github wiki? http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis -Ben
I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis Lots of useful information. HTH -- Joseph Wilk http://www.joesniff.co.uk On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc > thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, > etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is > the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. > > Many thanks in advance! > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20081106/87c370ad/attachment-0001.html>
Yes, thank you very much. Not too much there. I had seen a blog post where Aslak mentioned he''d worked some on the documentation so thought I was missing the 1000 page tome "Cucumbers: Sometimes quality is long and green..." Thanks, Tim On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Ben Mabey <ben at benmabey.com> wrote:> Tim Walker wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >> >> Many thanks in advance! >> >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > > Have you seen the github wiki? > > http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis > > -Ben > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
Thanks guys, I may have overlooked some of the stuff there. A lot of what I was looking for was in the "Step Organization" page. Still not clear on some of the dynamic substitutions and syntax, etc. Thanks, Tim On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Wilk <josephwilk at joesniff.co.uk> wrote:> I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . > > http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis > > Lots of useful information. > > HTH > -- > Joseph Wilk > http://www.joesniff.co.uk > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >> >> Many thanks in advance! >> >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks guys, I may have overlooked some of the stuff there. A lot of > what I was looking for was in the "Step Organization" page. > > Still not clear on some of the dynamic substitutions and syntax, etc. >I just jotted down some basics here: http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis/feature-introduction Please let us know of anything else that needs explaining. Cheers, Aslak> Thanks, > > Tim > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Wilk <josephwilk at joesniff.co.uk> wrote: >> I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . >> >> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis >> >> Lots of useful information. >> >> HTH >> -- >> Joseph Wilk >> http://www.joesniff.co.uk >> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >>> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >>> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >>> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >>> >>> Many thanks in advance! >>> >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rspec-users mailing list >>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
Thank you very much Aslak. That looks great. FWIW I have taught a class "Executable Requirements with FitNesse" as the director of training and coaching at Valtech and on the faculty of agile university. I went back to a real job recently and am now employed on a new enterprise class RoR project as the requirements manager and QA dude rolled in to one. In my analysis and discussions with others it looks like we''re putting a stake in the ground around Cucumber (having passed through the Rails Integration testing, RubyFIT and other approaches along the way). I''m sure we''ll have lots of questions. It really is awesome stuff and am looking forward to this project with more excitement than I''ve felt in a long time (and I''m a fairly old dude, programming in assembler, fortran, c and even 360/40 JCL in my career). Seeing what you guys are doing is just over-the-top cool. BDD is great, Domain Driven Design is great. Stuff I wish I knew 20 years ago. Requirements are the tests that implement them, not a separate SRS, they are the same thing. Literally. We want to do away with defect tracking and just write tests that reproduce them and break the build, treated like any other story. Your work makes all this possible. Sincerely, Tim On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> wrote:> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks guys, I may have overlooked some of the stuff there. A lot of >> what I was looking for was in the "Step Organization" page. >> >> Still not clear on some of the dynamic substitutions and syntax, etc. >> > > I just jotted down some basics here: > http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis/feature-introduction > > Please let us know of anything else that needs explaining. > > Cheers, > Aslak > >> Thanks, >> >> Tim >> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Wilk <josephwilk at joesniff.co.uk> wrote: >>> I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . >>> >>> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis >>> >>> Lots of useful information. >>> >>> HTH >>> -- >>> Joseph Wilk >>> http://www.joesniff.co.uk >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >>>> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >>>> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >>>> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rspec-users mailing list >>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote:> Thank you very much Aslak. That looks great. FWIW I have taught a > class "Executable Requirements with FitNesse" as the director of > training and coaching at Valtech and on the faculty of agile > university. I went back to a real job recently and am now employed on > a new enterprise class RoR project as the requirements manager and QA > dude rolled in to one. In my analysis and discussions with others it > looks like we''re putting a stake in the ground around Cucumber (having > passed through the Rails Integration testing, RubyFIT and other > approaches along the way). I''m sure we''ll have lots of questions. ItThanks for sharing that Tim. I take that as a confirmation that we''re doing something right here :-)> really is awesome stuff and am looking forward to this project with > more excitement than I''ve felt in a long time (and I''m a fairly old > dude, programming in assembler, fortran, c and even 360/40 JCL in my > career). Seeing what you guys are doing is just over-the-top cool. BDD > is great, Domain Driven Design is great. Stuff I wish I knew 20 yearsIsn''t it great to be in a field where you can feel there is some progress and learning? 80% of what you find in BDD, RSpec and Cucumber comes from elsewhere. Here is a list that I have often used when I present BDD so people can go and dig fro more. TDD/JUnit - Kent Beck FIT - Ward Cunningham Example Driven Development - Brian Marick User Stories - Connextra team (Nolan, MacKinnon et al) BDD daddys - Chris "business value" Matts and Dan "tastapod" North ATDD/ATDP - Richard Watt and David Leigh-Fellows (I might be wrong on origin) DDD/Ubiq Language - Eric Evans The RSpec list - the catalyst of bringing all of this into a consistent whole> ago. Requirements are the tests that implement them, not a separate > SRS, they are the same thing. Literally. We want to do away with > defect tracking and just write tests that reproduce them and break the > build, treated like any other story. Your work makes all this > possible. >Can I quote you on this? I need it for my campaign. Aslak> Sincerely, > > Tim > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thanks guys, I may have overlooked some of the stuff there. A lot of >>> what I was looking for was in the "Step Organization" page. >>> >>> Still not clear on some of the dynamic substitutions and syntax, etc. >>> >> >> I just jotted down some basics here: >> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis/feature-introduction >> >> Please let us know of anything else that needs explaining. >> >> Cheers, >> Aslak >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Wilk <josephwilk at joesniff.co.uk> wrote: >>>> I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . >>>> >>>> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis >>>> >>>> Lots of useful information. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> -- >>>> Joseph Wilk >>>> http://www.joesniff.co.uk >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >>>>> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >>>>> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >>>>> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rspec-users mailing list >>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
Absolutely and THANKS! Sincerely, Tim On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:53 AM, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> wrote:> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >> Thank you very much Aslak. That looks great. FWIW I have taught a >> class "Executable Requirements with FitNesse" as the director of >> training and coaching at Valtech and on the faculty of agile >> university. I went back to a real job recently and am now employed on >> a new enterprise class RoR project as the requirements manager and QA >> dude rolled in to one. In my analysis and discussions with others it >> looks like we''re putting a stake in the ground around Cucumber (having >> passed through the Rails Integration testing, RubyFIT and other >> approaches along the way). I''m sure we''ll have lots of questions. It > > Thanks for sharing that Tim. I take that as a confirmation that we''re > doing something right here :-) > >> really is awesome stuff and am looking forward to this project with >> more excitement than I''ve felt in a long time (and I''m a fairly old >> dude, programming in assembler, fortran, c and even 360/40 JCL in my >> career). Seeing what you guys are doing is just over-the-top cool. BDD >> is great, Domain Driven Design is great. Stuff I wish I knew 20 years > > Isn''t it great to be in a field where you can feel there is some > progress and learning? > 80% of what you find in BDD, RSpec and Cucumber comes from elsewhere. > Here is a list > that I have often used when I present BDD so people can go and dig fro more. > > TDD/JUnit - Kent Beck > FIT - Ward Cunningham > Example Driven Development - Brian Marick > User Stories - Connextra team (Nolan, MacKinnon et al) > BDD daddys - Chris "business value" Matts and Dan "tastapod" North > ATDD/ATDP - Richard Watt and David Leigh-Fellows (I might be wrong on origin) > DDD/Ubiq Language - Eric Evans > The RSpec list - the catalyst of bringing all of this into a consistent whole > >> ago. Requirements are the tests that implement them, not a separate >> SRS, they are the same thing. Literally. We want to do away with >> defect tracking and just write tests that reproduce them and break the >> build, treated like any other story. Your work makes all this >> possible. >> > > Can I quote you on this? I need it for my campaign. > > Aslak > >> Sincerely, >> >> Tim >> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Thanks guys, I may have overlooked some of the stuff there. A lot of >>>> what I was looking for was in the "Step Organization" page. >>>> >>>> Still not clear on some of the dynamic substitutions and syntax, etc. >>>> >>> >>> I just jotted down some basics here: >>> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis/feature-introduction >>> >>> Please let us know of anything else that needs explaining. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Aslak >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Wilk <josephwilk at joesniff.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> I suggest you checkout the wiki that Cucumber has on Github . >>>>> >>>>> http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/cucumber/wikis >>>>> >>>>> Lots of useful information. >>>>> >>>>> HTH >>>>> -- >>>>> Joseph Wilk >>>>> http://www.joesniff.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Tim Walker <walketim at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the best source for cucumber documentation. I did the rdoc >>>>>> thing but that was more of the API view. Is there any usage guides, >>>>>> etc. besides the examples and what you get when you download it or is >>>>>> the documentation hidden in there and I just didn''t see it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rspec-users mailing list >>>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rspec-users mailing list >>> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> rspec-users mailing list >> rspec-users at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >> > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >