rspec users - Jun 2007 - Still recommend the plugins over the gems?

> We strongly recommend you install RSpec and Spec::Rails as plugins  
> (as opposed to relying on an RSpec gem). See special instructions  
> below if you want to install the HEAD of the trunk, or an older  
> version.
(from http://rspec.rubyforge.org/documentation/rails/install.html)

Is this still the case?  Why?

Is the rspec_on_rails available in gem form?

Does rspec_generator (the gem, currently at 0.5.15) correspond to the  
plugins?

-David

On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:08 PM, David James wrote:
>> We strongly recommend you install RSpec and Spec::Rails as plugins
>> (as opposed to relying on an RSpec gem). See special instructions
>> below if you want to install the HEAD of the trunk, or an older
>> version.
> (from http://rspec.rubyforge.org/documentation/rails/install.html)
>
> Is this still the case?  Why?
>
> Is the rspec_on_rails available in gem form?
The rspec_on_rails plugin has never been available in gem form, has it?

Potentially, you could install the rspec_on_rails plugin, while using  
the autotest gem (assuming you got the version numbers exactly  
right).   Or am I wrong on this one, as well?

Scott

On 6/8/07, Scott Taylor <mailing_lists at railsnewbie.com>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:08 PM, David James wrote:
>
> >> We strongly recommend you install RSpec and Spec::Rails as plugins
> >> (as opposed to relying on an RSpec gem). See special instructions
> >> below if you want to install the HEAD of the trunk, or an older
> >> version.
> > (from http://rspec.rubyforge.org/documentation/rails/install.html)
> >
> > Is this still the case?  Why?
> >
> > Is the rspec_on_rails available in gem form?
>
> The rspec_on_rails plugin has never been available in gem form, has it?
>
> Potentially, you could install the rspec_on_rails plugin, while using
> the autotest gem (assuming you got the version numbers exactly
> right).   Or am I wrong on this one, as well?
autotest? I think he was just asking about rspec and rspec_on_rails.

The rspec_generator is ancient. I''d delete it.

We started off w/ gems but decided w/ all the volatility it was easier
to manage different versions directly in the app as plugins. As things
are less volatile now, we could revisit this.
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On Jun 8, 2007, at 8:42 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
> We started off w/ gems but decided w/ all the volatility it was easier
> to manage different versions directly in the app as plugins. As things
> are less volatile now, we could revisit this.
Think it would be possible to make the plugin not depend on a  
specific version of rspec, but maybe just a branch (e.g. 1.0.x)?

Brandon

On 6/8/07, Brandon Keepers <bkeepers at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2007, at 8:42 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
>
> > We started off w/ gems but decided w/ all the volatility it was easier
> > to manage different versions directly in the app as plugins. As things
> > are less volatile now, we could revisit this.
>
> Think it would be possible to make the plugin not depend on a
> specific version of rspec, but maybe just a branch (e.g. 1.0.x)?
I''m not sure we''re there yet. With 1.0, we committed to
reducing
volatility in the public API. rspec_on_rails, however, is an extension
of rspec and most of the extension points are not published extension
points. We''re basically subclassing specific classes in RSpec. If the
structure changes, which it might if we decide there''s value in it,
we''re going to have to mirror those changes in rspec_on_rails.

We''ve started to provide extension APIs like using
Spec::Runner.configure instead of forcing you to monkey patch rspec to
include modules in the examples, etc. But we have a long way to go
before I''d be comfortable decoupling rspec_on_rails from rspec in this
way.

David
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> Brandon
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