There just does not seem to be much information out their on Rails3 finders. The finders and chaining are basically "awesome", at least if you are doing Model.where().where() which generates AND conditions. Can''t find much on OR condition examples, except putting the "or" conditions in text in the where arguments. I think I read that OR was not working in arel yet, but I found something that I''m not sure if it''s rails3 or ruby that is making it work. Playing with a genealogy model Person:id,father_id,mother_id,name,etc. I wrote some model queries: def parents Person.where(:id => [self.father_id, self.mother_id]) end def children self.gender == ''m'' ? Person.where(:father_id => self.id) : Person.where(:mother_id => self.id) end def siblings if self.father_id > 0 and self.mother_id > 0 Person.where(:father_id => self.father_id, :mother_id => self.mother_id).where("id != %d",self.id) else [] end end def half_siblings fatherside = Person.where(:father_id => self.father_id).where("mother_id != ?",self.mother_id) motherside = Person.where(:mother_id => self.mother_id).where("father_id != ?",self.father_id) halfsiblings = fatherside | motherside end The half_siblings method requires an "or" condition and the "|" actually works but does not return a relation, but an array of AR''s. If I change the "|" to a "&", which is an alias to merge and does the AND stuff and where I got the brainfart to try "|", it returns a relation (that, of course fails to find any records). Does anyone know of a good post on rails3 finders with some detailed examples? Steve Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.