Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a good thing to help me with this... Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about make/print database reports? tks
Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn a viable application development platform that businesses are looking for talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting language, seriously think about a real application development language. On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > good thing to help me with this... > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > make/print database reports? > > tks > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
You can''t be serious. Why not be a masochist and deal with the horrid syntax of Java? Um, because I don''t like my programming language to make me jump through unnecessary hoops to accomplish the simplest of tasks. I actually want to enjoy my work, thanks. Greg ________________________________ From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:34 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn a viable application development platform that businesses are looking for talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting language, seriously think about a real application development language. On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a good thing to help me with this... Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about make/print database reports? tks _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Well, I don''t need Java, java is too complex for simple things... my system is simple and do what I and my customers need and I think that "spaghetti scripting language" like php and ruby can make real applications in less time. Gregory Hill escreveu: You can’t be serious. Why not be a masochist and deal with the horrid syntax of Java? Um, because I don’t like my programming language to make me jump through unnecessary hoops to accomplish the simplest of tasks. I actually want to enjoy my work, thanks. Greg From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:34 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn a viable application development platform that businesses are looking for talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting language, seriously think about a real application development language. On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a good thing to help me with this... Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about make/print database reports? tks _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn > a viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > language, >hey, RoR is a framework, not a scripting language, a scripting language is ruby seriously think about a real application development language.>yeah, ruby is real application development language. greets On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > make/print database reports? > > > > tks > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >-- // // Ing. Francisco J. Calderón S. // fjcalderon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org // Usuario de GNU/Linux nº 349529 // Maracay, Venezuela // _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this discussion to another list. Thanks, Nicholas On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn a > viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > language, seriously think about a real application development language. > > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > make/print database reports? > > > > tks > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >-- DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun!
Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. On 5/26/06, Nicholas Schlueter <schlueter-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of > this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their > preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this > discussion to another list. > > Thanks, > Nicholas > > On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, > learn a > > viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > > language, seriously think about a real application development language. > > > > > > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > > make/print database reports? > > > > > > tks > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > -- > DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun! > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
No you... neener neener. (sorry, had to) Greg ________________________________ From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. On 5/26/06, Nicholas Schlueter <schlueter-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this discussion to another list. Thanks, Nicholas On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote:> Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language,learn a> viable application development platform that businesses are lookingfor> talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > language, seriously think about a real application developmentlanguage.> > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not founda> > good thing to help me with this... > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > make/print database reports? > > > > tks > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >-- DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun! _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
:-) I just don''t see RoR being around for the long haul (10 years+), and never understood the draw to languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). I believe in code separation, precompilation of class libraries where possible, integrated development environments, full feature debugging, etc... And was simply suggesting to the OP that if he''s gonig to spend time and effort learning a new language, that it be one which can be used for the web and more. Sorry, I really am, clearly you are all great at your jobs and good developers, I just don''t personally think scripting should be used for complete development of applications. Scripting has it''s place. And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-) On 5/26/06, Gregory Hill <Gregory_Hill-l9nu40+TWxQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > No you… neener neener. (sorry, had to) > > > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto: > rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Gahl > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 AM > > *To:* rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails > > > > Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. > > On 5/26/06, *Nicholas Schlueter* <schlueter-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of > this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their > preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this > discussion to another list. > > Thanks, > Nicholas > > On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, > learn a > > viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > > language, seriously think about a real application development language. > > > > > > > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > > make/print database reports? > > > > > > tks > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > -- > DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun! > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Ryan Gahl wrote:> I > believe in code separation,check,> precompilation of class libraries where > possible,check,> integrated development environments,I haven''t found an IDE I''m happy with, but that''s just a matter of taste. So, check,> full feature debugging, > etc...check. Sound like you''re describing Perl to me :)> And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-)If you call them "scripting" languages, then of course all they seem good for are scripts. Try calling the "dynamic" languages and then see what you can do with them. Are you pessimistic of their ability to create large maintainable systems because you''ve never used them to create a large maintainable system? -- Michael Peters Developer Plus Three, LP
> > integrated development environments, > > I haven''t found an IDE I''m happy with, but that''s just a matter oftaste.> So, check,Have you tried Komodo from ActiveState? $25 for personal use. Works with Perl, PHP, Python, and Ruby. If you have the compiler/interpreter installed on the same computer, you can do stop points, tracing, etc, etc. It also works with remote hosting, but you have to do some fandangled apache hooks to get it to work, so I haven''t done it yet. It''s way more responsive than Eclipse, and pretty slick overall. Greg
Maybe, Michael. I''ve had to deal with all of them though. I''ve never seen an implementation I liked (have yet to see code separation). Not sure what you mean by dynamic though. You mean interpreted? Non type-safe? On 5/26/06, Michael Peters <mpeters-aUYv5hkjw45l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Ryan Gahl wrote: > > I > > believe in code separation, > > check, > > > precompilation of class libraries where > > possible, > > check, > > > integrated development environments, > > I haven''t found an IDE I''m happy with, but that''s just a matter of taste. > So, check, > > > full feature debugging, > > etc... > > check. > > Sound like you''re describing Perl to me :) > > > And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-) > > If you call them "scripting" languages, then of course all they seem good > for > are scripts. Try calling the "dynamic" languages and then see what you can > do > with them. > > Are you pessimistic of their ability to create large maintainable systems > because you''ve never used them to create a large maintainable system? > > -- > Michael Peters > Developer > Plus Three, LP > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
> Sound like you''re describing Perl to me :)Hey, no fair :) Perl is the same as Ruby in this regard, you can use it poorly or you can use it well. I don''t mingle server code and markup, but it is possible. It''s also possible with Ruby. It''s also encouraged with PHP. That said, I have been considering switching to Ruby, but haven''t made the plunge yet. Too much existing code base invested in my Perl framework to just switch over. Greg
> languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one > file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc).You obviously know nothing about ColdFusion. Sorry, had to defend my language. -----Original Message----- From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails :-) I just don''t see RoR being around for the long haul (10 years+), and never understood the draw to languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). I believe in code separation, precompilation of class libraries where possible, integrated development environments, full feature debugging, etc... And was simply suggesting to the OP that if he''s gonig to spend time and effort learning a new language, that it be one which can be used for the web and more. Sorry, I really am, clearly you are all great at your jobs and good developers, I just don''t personally think scripting should be used for complete development of applications. Scripting has it''s place. And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-) On 5/26/06, Gregory Hill <Gregory_Hill-l9nu40+TWxQ@public.gmane.org > wrote: No you neener neener. (sorry, had to) Greg From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. On 5/26/06, Nicholas Schlueter <schlueter-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this discussion to another list. Thanks, Nicholas On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote:> Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learna> viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > language, seriously think about a real application development language. > > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > make/print database reports? > > > > tks > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >-- DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun! _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Ryan Gahl wrote:> Maybe, Michael. I''ve had to deal with all of them though. I''ve never > seen an implementation I likedAh, so bad implementations == bad language ?> (have yet to see code separation).Just for the record, in Perl it''s usually Template Toolkit, or HTML::Template (Mason can do it, but generally encourages mixing).> Not > sure what you mean by dynamic though. You mean interpreted? Non type-safe?Actually, I like the wikipedia definition: a dynamic programming language is a kind of programming language in which programs can change their structure as they run: functions may be introduced or removed, new classes of objects may be created, new modules may appear. As a side effect of this dynamism, most dynamic programming languages are dynamically typed, which static typing advocates consider a drawback (see also static typing). According to advocates of dynamic programming languages, however, the flexibility of dynamic languages offsets these drawbacks, and even provides advantages so considerable as to make this an essential feature And with new research being done into type-inferencing (see perl6) this "limitation" may not exist for much longer. If you want type-safety you can have it, if you don''t it won''t get in your way. -- Michael Peters Developer Plus Three, LP
I had to redo an entire corporate website that was done in coldfusion... maybe they have changed things, but it was all markup based code, with server "tags" mixed in with client tags and client script, all one file. I guess I''m just jaded by being witness to countless poor implementations of these languages. On 5/26/06, Daniel Elmore <danielelmore-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one > > file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). > > You obviously know nothing about ColdFusion. > > Sorry, had to defend my language. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan > Gahl > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM > To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails > > :-) > > I just don''t see RoR being around for the long haul (10 years+), and never > understood the draw to languages that mix server code, markup, and client > code in one file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). I believe in > code > separation, precompilation of class libraries where possible, integrated > development environments, full feature debugging, etc... > > And was simply suggesting to the OP that if he''s gonig to spend time and > effort learning a new language, that it be one which can be used for the > web > and more. Sorry, I really am, clearly you are all great at your jobs and > good developers, I just don''t personally think scripting should be used > for > complete development of applications. Scripting has it''s place. > > And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-) > On 5/26/06, Gregory Hill <Gregory_Hill-l9nu40+TWxQ@public.gmane.org > wrote: > No you… neener neener. (sorry, had to) > > Greg > > > From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan > Gahl > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 AM > > To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails > > Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. > On 5/26/06, Nicholas Schlueter <schlueter-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of > this list.This is not a war worth fighting.Everyone has their > preference.Zealots are stupid and irrational.Please take this > discussion to another list. > > Thanks, > Nicholas > > On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? > > > > Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, > learn > a > > viable application development platform that businesses are looking for > > talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. > > > > And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting > > language, seriously think about a real application development language. > > > > > > > > On 5/26/06, Fernando <fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... > > > my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a > > > good thing to help me with this... > > > > > > Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about > > > make/print database reports? > > > > > > tks > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > -- > DCRails.com || Making the Metrorail fun! > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
well, this growing ..... hehe I think that the answer for my first question is that theres no project about reports for ruby, right? but I think that I will switch to ruby(Ror) I Have a new project, and have to work fast, think that ror could give this to me. don''t need to Learn a complex, giangt, and sad language such as JAVA and yes Php could make this project, but the sintax of ruby is cleaner and more beautiful :) Daniel Elmore escreveu: languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). You obviously know nothing about ColdFusion. Sorry, had to defend my language. -----Original Message----- From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails :-) I just don''t see RoR being around for the long haul (10 years+), and never understood the draw to languages that mix server code, markup, and client code in one file (classic ASP, Coldfusion, PHP, RoR, etc). I believe in code separation, precompilation of class libraries where possible, integrated development environments, full feature debugging, etc... And was simply suggesting to the OP that if he''s gonig to spend time and effort learning a new language, that it be one which can be used for the web and more. Sorry, I really am, clearly you are all great at your jobs and good developers, I just don''t personally think scripting should be used for complete development of applications. Scripting has it''s place. And sorry, RoR is a framework.... for scripting :-) On 5/26/06, Gregory Hill wrote: No you… neener neener. (sorry, had to) Greg From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Oh jeez... cool your collective jets. On 5/26/06, Nicholas Schlueter wrote: This is not a helpful statement and takes away from the usefulness of this list. This is not a war worth fighting. Everyone has their preference. Zealots are stupid and irrational. Please take this discussion to another list. Thanks, Nicholas On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl wrote: Why not migrate to .NET or JSP? Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting language, learn viable application development platform that businesses are looking for talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET. And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting language, seriously think about a real application development language. On 5/26/06, Fernando wrote: Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration to rails... my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a good thing to help me with this... Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about make/print database reports? tks _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys are being way too defensive. Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. :-) It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one shares my POV? Ok, I surrender... On 5/26/06, Michael Peters <mpeters-aUYv5hkjw45l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > Ryan Gahl wrote: > > Maybe, Michael. I''ve had to deal with all of them though. I''ve never > > seen an implementation I liked > > Ah, so bad implementations == bad language ? > > > (have yet to see code separation). > > Just for the record, in Perl it''s usually Template Toolkit, or > HTML::Template > (Mason can do it, but generally encourages mixing). > > > Not > > sure what you mean by dynamic though. You mean interpreted? Non > type-safe? > > Actually, I like the wikipedia definition: > > a dynamic programming language is a kind of programming language in > which > programs can change their structure as they run: functions may be > introduced > or removed, new classes of objects may be created, new modules may > appear. As > a side effect of this dynamism, most dynamic programming languages are > dynamically typed, which static typing advocates consider a drawback > (see also > static typing). According to advocates of dynamic programming languages, > however, the flexibility of dynamic languages offsets these drawbacks, > and > even provides advantages so considerable as to make this an essential > feature > > And with new research being done into type-inferencing (see perl6) this > "limitation" may not exist for much longer. If you want type-safety you > can have > it, if you don''t it won''t get in your way. > > -- > Michael Peters > Developer > Plus Three, LP > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Sorry, no. Static typing is the devil :-) Ok, not really, it does have its place. I just prefer flexibility and expressiveness, especially in web programming. Programming without them is no fun, and I like to have fun. You might have gotten better responses if your tone had been more of a "I prefer this" than a "Dynamic languages are not for real programmers". You didn''t say it like that, and maybe you didn''t intend it to sound that way, but it seemed to be implied. Greg ________________________________ From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:57 AM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys are being way too defensive. Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. :-) It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one shares my POV? Ok, I surrender... _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
On Friday 26 May 2006 09:56, Ryan Gahl wrote:> Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys are > being way too defensive. > > Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. > > :-) > > It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to > time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one shares > my POV? > > Ok, I surrender...well, considering you ARE on a mailing list hosted by rubyonrails.org, I think you''re in the wrong place looking for allies. I''d personally rather keep the list on-topic (prototype, scriptaculous, etc) than discussing rails vs .net vs django vs java vs blah. That''s just me though. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org http://ipaction.org/ -- defend your rights to fair use _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
On May 26, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Fernando wrote:> I think that the answer for my first question is that theres no > project about reports for ruby, right?Ruby Reports (aka Ruport http://ruport.rubyforge.org/) is a Google Summer of Code grant recipient. I expect that it will only improve in the coming months. jeremy
Greg: Yea I know it came out like that... I''m sorry. I''ll try to clean up my act. I have the habit of expressing my opinions strongly, usually too strong. Jeremy: off topic happens. But yea sorry. As far as the being on a RoR mailing list... I''m on the prototype/scriptaculous list :-), it just happens that it''s a sublist off the RoR list. :-) On 5/26/06, Jeremy Kitchen <kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > On Friday 26 May 2006 09:56, Ryan Gahl wrote: > > Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys > are > > being way too defensive. > > > > Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. > > > > :-) > > > > It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to > > time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one > shares > > my POV? > > > > Ok, I surrender... > > well, considering you ARE on a mailing list hosted by rubyonrails.org, I > think > you''re in the wrong place looking for allies. I''d personally rather keep > the > list on-topic (prototype, scriptaculous, etc) than discussing rails vs > .net > vs django vs java vs blah. > > That''s just me though. > > -Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Kitchen ++ kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org > > http://ipaction.org/ -- defend your rights to fair use > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Sigh, I do not use RoR either. I have it installed, but I have yet to develop anything with it. I am on this list for scriptaculous and prototype. I just though since everyone else said something I should respond to this text. I have also decided that Sir Ryan Gahl is my arch-nemesis (note the sigh prefixing the first sentence, it is there because I had to agree with him). I will offer an opposing view to all of his emails from this point on, even if I agree with his point of view. Just kidding. -Andrew Martinez -----Original Message----- From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Gahl Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:15 PM To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails Greg: Yea I know it came out like that... I''m sorry. I''ll try to clean up my act. I have the habit of expressing my opinions strongly, usually too strong. Jeremy: off topic happens. But yea sorry. As far as the being on a RoR mailing list... I''m on the prototype/scriptaculous list :-), it just happens that it''s a sublist off the RoR list. :-) On 5/26/06, Jeremy Kitchen < kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 09:56, Ryan Gahl wrote:> Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys are > being way too defensive. > > Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. > > :-) > > It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to > time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one shares > my POV? > > Ok, I surrender...well, considering you ARE on a mailing list hosted by rubyonrails.org, I think you''re in the wrong place looking for allies. I''d personally rather keep the list on-topic (prototype, scriptaculous, etc) than discussing rails vs .net vs django vs java vs blah. That''s just me though. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org http://ipaction.org/ <http://ipaction.org/> -- defend your rights to fair use _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs _______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Lol, Andrew. I always wanted an arch-nemesis. All your base are belong to me! On 5/26/06, Martinez, Andrew <Andrew.Martinez-9sMr025MA47QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Sigh, I do not use RoR either. I have it installed, but I have yet to > develop anything with it. I am on this list for scriptaculous and prototype. > > > > I just though since everyone else said something I should respond to this > text. > > > > I have also decided that Sir Ryan Gahl is my arch-nemesis (note the sigh > prefixing the first sentence, it is there because I had to agree with him). > I will offer an opposing view to all of his emails from this point on, even > if I agree with his point of view. Just kidding. > > > > -Andrew Martinez > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto: > rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org]*On Behalf Of *Ryan Gahl > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2006 1:15 PM > *To:* rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails > > > > Greg: Yea I know it came out like that... I''m sorry. I''ll try to clean up > my act. I have the habit of expressing my opinions strongly, usually too > strong. > > Jeremy: off topic happens. But yea sorry. > > As far as the being on a RoR mailing list... I''m on the > prototype/scriptaculous list :-), it just happens that it''s a sublist off > the RoR list. :-) > > On 5/26/06, *Jeremy Kitchen* <kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Friday 26 May 2006 09:56, Ryan Gahl wrote: > > Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys > are > > being way too defensive. > > > > Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. > > > > :-) > > > > It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to > > time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one > shares > > my POV? > > > > Ok, I surrender... > > well, considering you ARE on a mailing list hosted by rubyonrails.org, I > think > you''re in the wrong place looking for allies. I''d personally rather keep > the > list on-topic (prototype, scriptaculous, etc) than discussing rails vs > .net > vs django vs java vs blah. > > That''s just me though. > > -Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Kitchen ++ kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org > > http://ipaction.org/ -- defend your rights to fair use > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >_______________________________________________ Rails-spinoffs mailing list Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs
Ryan, you probably wouldn''t want it. All his [code]base are probably RoR... :-D, sorry, couldn''t resist. And as one who has developed in ASP.Net, PHP, and Perl...(no RoR yet)...I really prefer PHP. It just makes more sense. If you want to be more strict about separation of content and display, a la RoR, in PHP...check out cakephp.org. Very nice work. -Jerod On 5/26/06, Ryan Gahl <ryan.gahl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Lol, Andrew. > > I always wanted an arch-nemesis. All your base are belong to me! > > > > On 5/26/06, Martinez, Andrew < Andrew.Martinez-9sMr025MA47QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sigh, I do not use RoR either. I have it installed, but I have yet to > develop anything with it. I am on this list for scriptaculous and prototype. > > > > > > > > I just though since everyone else said something I should respond to this > text. > > > > > > > > I have also decided that Sir Ryan Gahl is my arch-nemesis (note the sigh > prefixing the first sentence, it is there because I had to agree with him). > I will offer an opposing view to all of his emails from this point on, even > if I agree with his point of view. Just kidding. > > > > > > > > > > -Andrew Martinez > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rails-spinoffs-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On > Behalf Of Ryan Gahl > > > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:15 PM > > To: rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [Rails-spinoffs] migration to rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg: Yea I know it came out like that... I''m sorry. I''ll try to clean up > my act. I have the habit of expressing my opinions strongly, usually too > strong. > > > > Jeremy: off topic happens. But yea sorry. > > > > As far as the being on a RoR mailing list... I''m on the > prototype/scriptaculous list :-), it just happens that it''s a sublist off > the RoR list. :-) > > > > On 5/26/06, Jeremy Kitchen <kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Friday 26 May 2006 09:56, Ryan Gahl wrote: > > > Hey, I never used the words "bad language" in any of this... you guys > are > > > being way too defensive. > > > > > > Just put me in the "static typing advocates" camp and let''s move on. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > It''s all preference, it''s all opinion, sure I speak out from time to > > > time... just wish I had some friends here to back ME up :-) No one > shares > > > my POV? > > > > > > Ok, I surrender... > > > > well, considering you ARE on a mailing list hosted by rubyonrails.org, I > think > > you''re in the wrong place looking for allies. I''d personally rather keep > the > > list on-topic (prototype, scriptaculous, etc) than discussing rails vs > .net > > vs django vs java vs blah. > > > > That''s just me though. > > > > -Jeremy > > > > -- > > Jeremy Kitchen ++ kitchen-RA8HwDor7flnDGu+y90WmgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org > > > > http://ipaction.org/ -- defend your rights to fair use > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-spinoffs mailing list > Rails-spinoffs-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-spinoffs > > >
Just to add my $0.02 to this, not that it matters, but my background is
PHP with bits of .NET and lots of Python (but no Ruby/RoR), and I do
disagree with this. My preference is Python, and I find it gives me
nearly everything I need - web programming through TurboGears, right up
to GUI programming with PyGTK. However I think the lesson to learn is to
use the right language for the right project. If I was doing a
high-traffic shop, I would use PHP. A data-smasher/community project
(aka "Web 2.0") - Python with TG. Server code - Python. Shrink-wrapped
GUI apps - probably .NET. You use the right tool for the right job every
time, and that very rarely has anything to do with performance or static
typing. When I write server-side code, I use Python, because I can write
accurate applications in minimal time. If it''s too slow, we buy more
servers and go parallel. Programmer time is always more valuable than
CPU time, and I would only use .NET/Java/C+{0,2} where more hardware is
not an option.
-Rob
Ryan Gahl wrote:> Why not migrate to .NET or JSP?
>
> Don''t waste time learning yet another spaghetti scripting
language,
> learn a viable application development platform that businesses are
> looking for talent in. All the tools are now FREE :-), including for .NET.
>
> And yes, they have MANY facilities for reporting. RoR is a scripting
> language, seriously think about a real application development language.
>
>
> On 5/26/06, * Fernando*
<fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org
> <mailto:fernando-YZKC1iyWIStfJ/NunPodnw@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi, I''m a PHP developer and I''m think about migration
to rails...
> my big problem is about printing web Reports, well I could not found a
> good thing to help me with this...
>
> Does Ror or some other ruby project have some thing to help about
> make/print database reports?
>
> tks
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