First off, congrats to everyone for getting Rails 2 released. A lot of work went into the release, and it''s good to see us reach this milestone. And now that the release dust has settled, I think it might be useful for us to have a retrospective and evaluate how the release went. I think the Ruby on Rails project has improved a lot this year, and this is another opportunity for us to learn what we can do to improve our release process for the future. In this latest release I saw some stuff that worked well, and a few things that were problems, and some stuff that could be improved pretty easily. I''m sure others have useful feedback too. I''ve never done a retrospective online, but I''d guess some combination of email and campfire would be effective. Maybe set the stage via email, collect some initial feedback and distribute it, and then have a focused conversation in campfire once people are all prepared. That''s just one idea for how to proceed, but I''d be happy with any approach that looked like it would be effective. I expect the core team has some good distributed discussion practices it''s worked out that would work too. I think the point is to keep the discussion productive rather than either a lot of mutual back-slapping or a big bitchfest pile-on. Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to work with folks to help out. -- Josh Susser http://blog.hasmanythrough.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote:> Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to > work with folks to help out.I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have no reason for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part and he is currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast asia. So if we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async or postpone it for a bit. marcel -- Marcel Molina Jr. <marcel@vernix.org> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:52PM +0000, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote:> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote: > > Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to > > work with folks to help out. > > I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have no reason > for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part and he is > currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast asia. So if > we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async or postpone > it for a bit.And btw, I should say explicitly since my last email seemed rather ambivalent that I think what you are suggesting will likely be quite valuable and I''m interested in hearing your feedback on what was good and what could be better. It''s a good idea and your email was throughtfully written. Thanks, marcel -- Marcel Molina Jr. <marcel@vernix.org> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Good to hear. As for Koz''s participation, I agree he should be involved. But I expect it will take a bit to set up and coordinate this, and holidays are coming up soon, so the real-time event probably couldn''t happen until early January anyway. In the mean time, it would be good to hear from people who are interested in participating or want to have input. This thread should probably stay high-level and not get bogged down in details of lessons and actions, but there''s plenty to talk about in terms of goals and how to proceed. --josh On Dec 12, 3:50 pm, "Marcel Molina Jr." <mar...@vernix.org> wrote:> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:52PM +0000, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote: > > > Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to > > > work with folks to help out. > > > I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have no reason > > for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part and he is > > currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast asia. So if > > we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async or postpone > > it for a bit. > > And btw, I should say explicitly since my last email seemed rather ambivalent > that I think what you are suggesting will likely be quite valuable and I''m > interested in hearing your feedback on what was good and what could be > better. It''s a good idea and your email was throughtfully written. > > Thanks, > marcel > -- > Marcel Molina Jr. <mar...@vernix.org>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Josh, Perhaps it makes sense to get a basecamp / wiki setup for this so people can start to contribute notes and mark their willingness to take part? - james On 13 Dec 2007, at 19:44, Josh Susser wrote:> > Good to hear. As for Koz''s participation, I agree he should be > involved. But I expect it will take a bit to set up and coordinate > this, and holidays are coming up soon, so the real-time event probably > couldn''t happen until early January anyway. In the mean time, it > would be good to hear from people who are interested in participating > or want to have input. This thread should probably stay high-level and > not get bogged down in details of lessons and actions, but there''s > plenty to talk about in terms of goals and how to proceed. > > --josh > > On Dec 12, 3:50 pm, "Marcel Molina Jr." <mar...@vernix.org> wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:52PM +0000, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote: >>>> Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to >>>> work with folks to help out. >> >>> I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have >>> no reason >>> for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part >>> and he is >>> currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast >>> asia. So if >>> we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async >>> or postpone >>> it for a bit. >> >> And btw, I should say explicitly since my last email seemed rather >> ambivalent >> that I think what you are suggesting will likely be quite valuable >> and I''m >> interested in hearing your feedback on what was good and what could >> be >> better. It''s a good idea and your email was throughtfully written. >> >> Thanks, >> marcel >> -- >> Marcel Molina Jr. <mar...@vernix.org> > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
+1 On 14 Dec. 2007, at 02:06, James Cox wrote:> > Josh, > > Perhaps it makes sense to get a basecamp / wiki setup for this so > people can start to contribute notes and mark their willingness to > take part? > > - jamesMK --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
+1 On Dec 13, 4:06 pm, James Cox <ja...@imajes.info> wrote:> Josh, > > Perhaps it makes sense to get a basecamp / wiki setup for this so > people can start to contribute notes and mark their willingness to > take part? > > - james > > On 13 Dec 2007, at 19:44, Josh Susser wrote: > > > > > Good to hear. As for Koz''s participation, I agree he should be > > involved. But I expect it will take a bit to set up and coordinate > > this, and holidays are coming up soon, so the real-time event probably > > couldn''t happen until early January anyway. In the mean time, it > > would be good to hear from people who are interested in participating > > or want to have input. This thread should probably stay high-level and > > not get bogged down in details of lessons and actions, but there''s > > plenty to talk about in terms of goals and how to proceed. > > > --josh > > > On Dec 12, 3:50 pm, "Marcel Molina Jr." <mar...@vernix.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:52PM +0000, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote: > >>>> Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to > >>>> work with folks to help out. > > >>> I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have > >>> no reason > >>> for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part > >>> and he is > >>> currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast > >>> asia. So if > >>> we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async > >>> or postpone > >>> it for a bit. > > >> And btw, I should say explicitly since my last email seemed rather > >> ambivalent > >> that I think what you are suggesting will likely be quite valuable > >> and I''m > >> interested in hearing your feedback on what was good and what could > >> be > >> better. It''s a good idea and your email was throughtfully written. > > >> Thanks, > >> marcel > >> -- > >> Marcel Molina Jr. <mar...@vernix.org>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
+1 Jeremy McAnally changes keywords for this thread to "retrospective verified" ;) --Jeremy On Dec 14, 2007 1:08 PM, revans <RobertREvans@gmail.com> wrote:> > +1 > > > On Dec 13, 4:06 pm, James Cox <ja...@imajes.info> wrote: > > Josh, > > > > Perhaps it makes sense to get a basecamp / wiki setup for this so > > people can start to contribute notes and mark their willingness to > > take part? > > > > - james > > > > On 13 Dec 2007, at 19:44, Josh Susser wrote: > > > > > > > > > Good to hear. As for Koz''s participation, I agree he should be > > > involved. But I expect it will take a bit to set up and coordinate > > > this, and holidays are coming up soon, so the real-time event probably > > > couldn''t happen until early January anyway. In the mean time, it > > > would be good to hear from people who are interested in participating > > > or want to have input. This thread should probably stay high-level and > > > not get bogged down in details of lessons and actions, but there''s > > > plenty to talk about in terms of goals and how to proceed. > > > > > --josh > > > > > On Dec 12, 3:50 pm, "Marcel Molina Jr." <mar...@vernix.org> wrote: > > >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:52PM +0000, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > > >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Josh Susser wrote: > > >>>> Thoughts? Anyone from core want to make this happen. I''m happy to > > >>>> work with folks to help out. > > > > >>> I don''t want to introduce a road block but if this happens (I have > > >>> no reason > > >>> for it not to) it would be really valuable to have Koz take part > > >>> and he is > > >>> currently basically off the internet for a few weeks in southeast > > >>> asia. So if > > >>> we wanted to get him included we''d likely have to make this async > > >>> or postpone > > >>> it for a bit. > > > > >> And btw, I should say explicitly since my last email seemed rather > > >> ambivalent > > >> that I think what you are suggesting will likely be quite valuable > > >> and I''m > > >> interested in hearing your feedback on what was good and what could > > >> be > > >> better. It''s a good idea and your email was throughtfully written. > > > > >> Thanks, > > >> marcel > > >> -- > > >> Marcel Molina Jr. <mar...@vernix.org> > > >-- http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ My books: Ruby in Practice http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ My free Ruby e-book http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ My blogs: http://www.mrneighborly.com/ http://www.rubyinpractice.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-core-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---