Greetings! I would be very grateful if someone could supply a suitable line to enter into /etc/apt/sources.list for the benefit of a complete dummy user (i.e. me -- I do not want to have to do any interpretation, guesswork, reading of docs, etc.; I want to just copy it in). The machine in question is an Intel laptop, wuth Debian Lenny (according to the Debian website the current stable version as of 12 Feb 2010). The current contents of /etc/apt/sources.list are: ======deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main ====== I had not been using this machine for running R, until I tried it yesterday and was shocked to find that the R version installed is R 2.7.1 (2008-06-23) compared with the version I have on my regular machine, which is R 2.11.0 (2010-04-22). Then I was shocked, on visiting the Debian Lenny webpage, to find that the currently held version of R is the same as the above: "2.7.1-1+lenny" for all the basic R packages. No wonder I have not been getting updates! I am located in the UK. What should I put in /etc/apt/sources.list ? (Maybe more than one line, if that would be relevant to installing/updating a variety of R packages). With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 05-Jun-10 Time: 14:23:07 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
Ted, On 5 June 2010 at 14:23, (Ted Harding) wrote: | Greetings! | I would be very grateful if someone could supply a suitable | line to enter into /etc/apt/sources.list for the benefit of | a complete dummy user (i.e. me -- I do not want to have to | do any interpretation, guesswork, reading of docs, etc.; | I want to just copy it in). | | The machine in question is an Intel laptop, wuth Debian Lenny | (according to the Debian website the current stable version | as of 12 Feb 2010). The current contents of /etc/apt/sources.list | are: | ======| deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free | | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free | | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main | deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main | | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main | ======| | I had not been using this machine for running R, until I tried it | yesterday and was shocked to find that the R version installed is | | R 2.7.1 (2008-06-23) | | compared with the version I have on my regular machine, which is | R 2.11.0 (2010-04-22). Then I was shocked, on visiting the Debian | Lenny webpage, to find that the currently held version of R is What part of "stable" is unclear? When you opt for "stable", you ask Debian not to change your packages. So remarking that it doesn't update your R package, or preferred editor, or whatever, is inconsistent with what _you_ have chosen. A _stable_ selection of packages. I am not a native speaker of English but stable seems to imply 'does not change' reasonably well. So I am puzzled why this is so hard to explain. Now, maybe you are complaining that Debian has too few releases which is a different matter and requires a bit more of a meta-discussion. Too many, Ubuntu is a reasonable compromise between stability and bi-annual updates. I use it myself, but I also use (and like) Debian testing. It depends. But by choosing Lenny you got what you asked for. Now, as you asked, ... | the same as the above: "2.7.1-1+lenny" for all the basic R packages. | No wonder I have not been getting updates! | | I am located in the UK. | | What should I put in /etc/apt/sources.list ? (Maybe more than one | line, if that would be relevant to installing/updating a variety | of R packages). It is all documented, and a Google search for 'debian lenny R package' gets me there as a first hit. See the bin/linux/debian/ directory of any CRAN mirror. There are occassional mistakes (as Michael Friendly recently noticed) but the page makes an earnest attempt at documenting this so I won't repeat it here. If you have suggestions to make it clearer, please let Johannes or us know. This also gets discussed here regularly so you may find looking at the list archives beneficial. Good luck. -- Regards, Dirk
At 14:23 05/06/2010, Ted Harding wrote:>Greetings! >I would be very grateful if someone could supply a suitable >line to enter into /etc/apt/sources.list for the benefit of >a complete dummy user (i.e. me -- I do not want to have to >do any interpretation, guesswork, reading of docs, etc.; >I want to just copy it in).Ted, have you tried the line you can find by following the links from your favourite CRAN via R binaries, linux, debian?>The machine in question is an Intel laptop, wuth Debian Lenny >(according to the Debian website the current stable version >as of 12 Feb 2010). The current contents of /etc/apt/sources.list >are: >======>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free >deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free > >deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free >deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free > >deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main >deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main > >deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main >======> >I had not been using this machine for running R, until I tried it >yesterday and was shocked to find that the R version installed is > > R 2.7.1 (2008-06-23) > >compared with the version I have on my regular machine, which is >R 2.11.0 (2010-04-22). Then I was shocked, on visiting the Debian >Lenny webpage, to find that the currently held version of R is >the same as the above: "2.7.1-1+lenny" for all the basic R packages. >No wonder I have not been getting updates! > >I am located in the UK. > >What should I put in /etc/apt/sources.list ? (Maybe more than one >line, if that would be relevant to installing/updating a variety >of R packages). > >With thanks, >Ted. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at manchester.ac.uk> >Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 >Date: 05-Jun-10 Time: 14:23:07 >------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >R-SIG-Debian mailing list >R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debianMichael Dewey http://www.aghmed.fsnet.co.uk
Ted, I think you are not the only one that is annoyed by the need for translating the line deb http://<my.favorite.cran.mirror>/bin/linux/debian lenny/ into something that works. However, this helps reducing the load on the main CRAN server in Vienna, and network load in general. I think this is worth the effort, except if the CRAN administrators would tell me otherwise. I copied them in in case they would like to comment on this. I hope that with the help of Dirk and others you now have a working R 2.11.1 on your system. Thanks for sharing information about the trouble you have had - I will try to use this information to improve the README in the Debian section of CRAN: Regarding the timeout of the keyserver, at least I and Vincent Goulet have had problems with timeouts as well, so I added the alternative that Dirk suggested. I just re-read what we now have in the README on SECURE APT. I believe Dirk is right that you missed to make the key known to the apt system at first, and it seems the README was not clear enough here. I just rewrote this part and it is on the way to CRAN. Kind regards, Johannes Current maintainer of R backports for Debian stable on CRAN Am Samstag, 5. Juni 2010, um 15:23:10 schrieb Ted Harding:> Greetings! > I would be very grateful if someone could supply a suitable > line to enter into /etc/apt/sources.list for the benefit of > a complete dummy user (i.e. me -- I do not want to have to > do any interpretation, guesswork, reading of docs, etc.; > I want to just copy it in). > > The machine in question is an Intel laptop, wuth Debian Lenny > (according to the Debian website the current stable version > as of 12 Feb 2010). The current contents of /etc/apt/sources.list > are: > ======> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free > deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free > > deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main > deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main > ======> > I had not been using this machine for running R, until I tried it > yesterday and was shocked to find that the R version installed is > > R 2.7.1 (2008-06-23) > > compared with the version I have on my regular machine, which is > R 2.11.0 (2010-04-22). Then I was shocked, on visiting the Debian > Lenny webpage, to find that the currently held version of R is > the same as the above: "2.7.1-1+lenny" for all the basic R packages. > No wonder I have not been getting updates! > > I am located in the UK. > > What should I put in /etc/apt/sources.list ? (Maybe more than one > line, if that would be relevant to installing/updating a variety > of R packages). > > With thanks, > Ted. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@manchester.ac.uk> > Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 > Date: 05-Jun-10 Time: 14:23:07 > ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > R-SIG-Debian mailing list > R-SIG-Debian@r-project.org > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Guten Tag, Johannes; First, thanks for confirming me that lines can be commented (I hope the comment sign is "#" : I really do not know...); therefore, a less bad idea might be to give a : ------------------------------- - first line like this # please adapt and uncomment the following lines - a second line like this # to get fastly new packages you should choose (and modify from the example) a mirror near you, ex, if you are in France, near Toulouse: - a 3rd line like this # deb http://cran.cict.fr___please__adapt__/bin/linux/debian lenny Uncomment and correct this line only if you are in France Note the url is broken and people are obliged to adapt!!! (it was the way xorg was configured, by uncommenting, but there was no need to limit servers loads) # if one is very kind , same thing with an {unusable as is } Austrian or .... url ----------------------------------- In fact, explaining that the mirror must be near the user (and therefore one cannot make a general howto one tries to cut n paste) could help people to find a favorite mirror (most do not have) ... FYI : I carefully tried to avoid centuries of confusion (since 1996), linked with boring details (this can be very frustrating) , by compiling from source (avoids a stage of extra complexity) and explaining howto s should neither be ambiguous, nor ironical (else people get very frustrated and **never** will have a favorite mirror)... Have nice days... --- En date de?: Lun 7.6.10, Johannes Ranke <jranke at uni-bremen.de> a ?crit?:> De: Johannes Ranke <jranke at uni-bremen.de> > Objet: Re: [R-sig-Debian] Help for sources.list > ?: "denis brion" <dbrion1 at yahoo.fr> > Date: Lundi 7 juin 2010, 21h04 > Hi Denis, > > yes, it is meant to be ambigous and the task of the user is > to transform it > into an unambiguous url. Maybe "favourite mirror" is not > the best way of > putting it, do you have better idea? > > And yes, lines in /etc/apt/sources.list can be commented, > but then they do not > work. So one really has to select a preferred mirror from > the long list. I > hope the years of confusion are over for you now. > > Kind regards, > > Johannes > > Am Montag, 7. Juni 2010, um 17:51:56 schrieben Sie: > > " > I think you are not the only one that is > annoyed by the > > > > > need for translating > > > the line" > > > > I confirm that having one's _favorite mirror_ as an > url is more than > > ambiguous (it is illogical for someone who tries to > begin mirrors) and can > > lead to > > _years_ lasting confusion (a server's overload lasts > days in the worst > > case, not months) : > > > > can lines in apt's adress book be commented (I bet > that would not overload > > a server )? like virc -with quotes- or bashrc -with #- > under cygwin??? > > I suppose if there were a realistic commented out > adress and a comment like > > "adapt me" the world would be easier... > > > > Have nice days > > > > --- En date de : Dim 6.6.10, Johannes Ranke <jranke at uni-bremen.de> > a ?crit : > > > De: Johannes Ranke <jranke at uni-bremen.de> > > > Objet: Re: [R-sig-Debian] Help for sources.list > > > ?: ted.harding at manchester.ac.uk, > , > > > cran at r-project.org > Date: Dimanche 6 juin 2010, 21h38 > > > Ted, > > > > > > I think you are not the only one that is annoyed > by the > > > need for translating > > > the line > > > > > >? ???deb > > > > http://<my.favorite.cran.mirror>/bin/linux/debian > > > lenny/ > > > > > > into something that works. However, this helps > reducing the > > > load on > > > the main CRAN server in Vienna, and network load > in > > > general. I think this is > > > worth the effort, except if the CRAN > administrators would > > > tell me otherwise. I > > > copied them in in case they would like to comment > on this. > > > > > > I hope that with the help of Dirk and others you > now have a > > > working R 2.11.1 > > > on your system. Thanks for sharing information > about the > > > trouble you have had > > > - I will try to use this information to improve > the README > > > in the Debian > > > section of CRAN: > > > > > > Regarding the timeout of the keyserver, at least > I and > > > Vincent Goulet have had > > > problems with timeouts as well, so I added the > alternative > > > that Dirk > > > suggested. > > > > > > I just re-read what we now have in the README on > SECURE > > > APT. I believe Dirk is > > > right that you missed to make the key known to > the apt > > > system at first, and it > > > seems the README was not clear enough here. I > just rewrote > > > this part and it is > > > on the way to CRAN. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Johannes > > > Current maintainer of R backports for Debian > stable > > > on CRAN > > > > > > Am Samstag, 5. Juni 2010, um 15:23:10 schrieb Ted > Harding: > > > > Greetings! > > > > I would be very grateful if someone could > supply a > > > > > > suitable > > > > > > > line to enter into /etc/apt/sources.list for > the > > > > > > benefit of > > > > > > > a complete dummy user (i.e. me -- I do not > want to > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > do any interpretation, guesswork, reading of > docs, > > > > > > etc.; > > > > > > > I want to just copy it in). > > > > > > > > The machine in question is an Intel laptop, > wuth > > > > > > Debian Lenny > > > > > > > (according to the Debian website the current > stable > > > > > > version > > > > > > > as of 12 Feb 2010). The current contents of > > > > > > /etc/apt/sources.list > > > > > > > are: > > > > ======> > > > deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny > > > > > > main contrib non-free > > > > > > > deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny > > > > > > main contrib non-free > > > > > > > deb http://security.debian.org/ > lenny/updates > > > > > > main contrib non-free > > > > > > > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates > > > > > > main contrib non-free > > > > > > > deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile > > > > > > lenny/volatile main > > > > > > > deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile > > > > > > lenny/volatile main > > > > > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny > > > > > > main > > > > > > > ======> > > > > > > > I had not been using this machine for > running R, until > > > > > > I tried it > > > > > > > yesterday and was shocked to find that the R > version > > > > > > installed is > > > > > > >???R 2.7.1 (2008-06-23) > > > > > > > > compared with the version I have on my > regular > > > > > > machine, which is > > > > > > > R 2.11.0 (2010-04-22). Then I was shocked, > on visiting > > > > > > the Debian > > > > > > > Lenny webpage, to find that the currently > held version > > > > > > of R is > > > > > > > the same as the above: "2.7.1-1+lenny" for > all the > > > > > > basic R packages. > > > > > > > No wonder I have not been getting updates! > > > > > > > > I am located in the UK. > > > > > > > > What should I put in /etc/apt/sources.list ? > (Maybe > > > > > > more than one > > > > > > > line, if that would be relevant to > installing/updating > > > > > > a variety > > > > > > > of R packages). > > > > > > > > With thanks, > > > > Ted. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at manchester.ac.uk> > > > > Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 > > > > Date: 05-Jun-10? ? ? > ??? > > > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? > > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Time: > > > 14:23:07 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ XFMail > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > R-SIG-Debian mailing list > > > > R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org > > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian > > > > > >? ???[[alternative HTML > version deleted]] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > R-SIG-Debian mailing list > > > R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian > >