Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
2020-Aug-16 23:47 UTC
[R] Best settings for RStudio video recording?
May I suggest that this discussion is best left for another time and place. Some people have very strong opinions about RStudio vis a vis R, it has been discussed here before, shedding mostly heat and not a lot of light (nor do I think anyone had their mind changed), and worse the discussions have tended to move over to twitter, where twitter mobs have gone after people whose views on this subject didn't agree with theirs, to the extent of digging up any transgression that person ever committed and claiming that discredited anything they said about R and RStudio, rather than dealing with points made. I have seen people who I have reason to believe are well-meaning, decent people trying to improve R, be tarred and feathered on this subject (and this is on both sides of the discussion), I can't believe that this helps improve R, nor does it help anyone use R, which is the main point of this mail-list. Thanks, -Roy PS - Or we can start a discussion on the best editor to use - that should be good for a few flames! :-)> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote: > >> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition. > > Not quite. > Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is unrealistic. > Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next. > > I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law. > But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to state. > > It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original > statement in a strict legal sense. > But rather, the term is used to imply something. > > If the criteria is: > Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling > companies too*), for some public benefit(s)... > > ...then I would like to see evidence of this. > >> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified version of R." > > Read this post: > https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html > > My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of > course something has changed... > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.********************** "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. Government or NOAA." ********************** Roy Mendelssohn Supervisory Operations Research Analyst NOAA/NMFS Environmental Research Division Southwest Fisheries Science Center ***Note new street address*** 110 McAllister Way Santa Cruz, CA 95060 Phone: (831)-420-3666 Fax: (831) 420-3980 e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn at noaa.gov www: https://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill." "From those who have been given much, much will be expected" "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr.
I totally agree with Roy, thank you. I hope that we can get the discussion back on OP's question (which is timely and very important, and actually not specific to the IDE). The problem is that our possibilities to test user experience are usually limited. AFAIK students could be participating via their mobile phone... I want to be able to type code, have them read along, open help-pages, discuss the help pages, and plot things. Zoom appears to send out 720p video. That is 1280 x 720 px. If I set my monitor from which I screen-share my R session to 1280px wide, does this mean I will be doing the best I can to reduce anti-aliasing artefacts and improve legibility? Or does it even matter? Cheers, Boris> On 2020-08-17, at 09:47, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote: > > May I suggest that this discussion is best left for another time and place. Some people have very strong opinions about RStudio vis a vis R, it has been discussed here before, shedding mostly heat and not a lot of light (nor do I think anyone had their mind changed), and worse the discussions have tended to move over to twitter, where twitter mobs have gone after people whose views on this subject didn't agree with theirs, to the extent of digging up any transgression that person ever committed and claiming that discredited anything they said about R and RStudio, rather than dealing with points made. I have seen people who I have reason to believe are well-meaning, decent people trying to improve R, be tarred and feathered on this subject (and this is on both sides of the discussion), I can't believe that this helps improve R, nor does it help anyone use R, which is the main point of this mail-list. > > Thanks, > > -Roy > > PS - Or we can start a discussion on the best editor to use - that should be good for a few flames! :-) > >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition. >> >> Not quite. >> Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is unrealistic. >> Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next. >> >> I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law. >> But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to state. >> >> It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original >> statement in a strict legal sense. >> But rather, the term is used to imply something. >> >> If the criteria is: >> Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling >> companies too*), for some public benefit(s)... >> >> ...then I would like to see evidence of this. >> >>> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified version of R." >> >> Read this post: >> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html >> >> My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of >> course something has changed... >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > ********************** > "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. Government or NOAA." > ********************** > Roy Mendelssohn > Supervisory Operations Research Analyst > NOAA/NMFS > Environmental Research Division > Southwest Fisheries Science Center > ***Note new street address*** > 110 McAllister Way > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > Phone: (831)-420-3666 > Fax: (831) 420-3980 > e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn at noaa.gov www: https://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ > > "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill." > "From those who have been given much, much will be expected" > "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
In my experience pixel count is only indirectly related to legibility on a small screen, since they may have very high pixel count yet still be poorly readable with "normal" programming font sizes. If you really want to support that then increase font size. Slide presentations have similar design principles. If you really want the multi-pane experience then I would advocate for not assuming the phones will be usable, but you can try the medium font everywhere approach and hope for the best. On August 16, 2020 5:02:03 PM PDT, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> wrote:>I totally agree with Roy, thank you. > >I hope that we can get the discussion back on OP's question (which is >timely and very important, and actually not specific to the IDE). > >The problem is that our possibilities to test user experience are >usually limited. AFAIK students could be participating via their mobile >phone... I want to be able to type code, have them read along, open >help-pages, discuss the help pages, and plot things. > >Zoom appears to send out 720p video. That is 1280 x 720 px. If I set my >monitor from which I screen-share my R session to 1280px wide, does >this mean I will be doing the best I can to reduce anti-aliasing >artefacts and improve legibility? Or does it even matter? > > >Cheers, >Boris > > > > > >> On 2020-08-17, at 09:47, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal via R-help ><r-help at r-project.org> wrote: >> >> May I suggest that this discussion is best left for another time and >place. Some people have very strong opinions about RStudio vis a vis >R, it has been discussed here before, shedding mostly heat and not a >lot of light (nor do I think anyone had their mind changed), and >worse the discussions have tended to move over to twitter, where >twitter mobs have gone after people whose views on this subject didn't >agree with theirs, to the extent of digging up any transgression that >person ever committed and claiming that discredited anything they said >about R and RStudio, rather than dealing with points made. I have >seen people who I have reason to believe are well-meaning, decent >people trying to improve R, be tarred and feathered on this subject >(and this is on both sides of the discussion), I can't believe that >this helps improve R, nor does it help anyone use R, which is the >main point of this mail-list. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Roy >> >> PS - Or we can start a discussion on the best editor to use - that >should be good for a few flames! :-) >> >>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> >wrote: >>> >>>> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition. >>> >>> Not quite. >>> Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is >unrealistic. >>> Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next. >>> >>> I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law. >>> But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to >state. >>> >>> It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original >>> statement in a strict legal sense. >>> But rather, the term is used to imply something. >>> >>> If the criteria is: >>> Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling >>> companies too*), for some public benefit(s)... >>> >>> ...then I would like to see evidence of this. >>> >>>> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly >inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a >modified version of R." >>> >>> Read this post: >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html >>> >>> My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of >>> course something has changed... >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> ********************** >> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. >Government or NOAA." >> ********************** >> Roy Mendelssohn >> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst >> NOAA/NMFS >> Environmental Research Division >> Southwest Fisheries Science Center >> ***Note new street address*** >> 110 McAllister Way >> Santa Cruz, CA 95060 >> Phone: (831)-420-3666 >> Fax: (831) 420-3980 >> e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn at noaa.gov www: https://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ >> >> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill." >> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected" >> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" >-MLK Jr. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.