R help - Aug 2020 - Best settings for RStudio video recording?

a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.

b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly
inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified
version of R." Each user has to opt in to that "modified"
experience by explicitly installing each of the the many CRAN packages that
various employees of RStudio have created and all of which can (to my knowledge)
be used without installing the RStudio IDE at all. Yes, a bunch of them can be
grabbed at once by installing the tidyverse package, but that is also a choice
made by users and by instructors struggling to deal with students who have a
hard time with Excel much less functional programming. But RStudio is an R IDE.

There are a lot of packages sponsored by RStudio that I find redundant and slow,
but portraying the RStudio company or the IDE as inherently "not R"
just because newbies like the IDE and the packages they sponsor, and who end up
confusing R with RStudio even though they have to install both, is small-minded
and biased.

On August 15, 2020 9:10:34 PM PDT, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>  It is a public benefit corporation
>
>Seriously?
>
>On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>  used to introduce people to R
>
>Correction, it introduces people to a modified version of R.
-- 
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

On Sun 16 Aug 2020 at 06:32, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.
>
> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly
inventing.
> RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified version
of
> R." Each user has to opt in to that "modified" experience by
explicitly
> installing each of the the many CRAN packages that various employees of
> RStudio have created and all of which can (to my knowledge) be used without
> installing the RStudio IDE at all. Yes, a bunch of them can be grabbed at
> once by installing the tidyverse package, but that is also a choice made by
> users and by instructors struggling to deal with students who have a hard
> time with Excel much less functional programming. But RStudio is an R IDE.
>
> There are a lot of packages sponsored by RStudio that I find redundant and
> slow, but portraying the RStudio company or the IDE as inherently "not
R"
> just because newbies like the IDE and the packages they sponsor, and who
> end up confusing R with RStudio even though they have to install both, is
> small-minded and biased

To clarify:  If you use RStudio and do not install any of the RStudio
packages, R in RStudio is the same R as if you were running it from the
command line.  I would think that many users find command completion,
access to help files, project management Etc. useful. Nobody is asking
anyone to install the RStudio packages.  I do sometimes but not always and
have found them useful. Jeff is 100% correct.

>  On August 15, 2020 9:10:34 PM PDT, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at
gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
> ><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >>  It is a public benefit corporation
> >
> >Seriously?
> >
> >On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
> ><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >>  used to introduce people to R
> >
> >Correction, it introduces people to a modified version of R.
>
> --
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>
-- 
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> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.
Not quite.
Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is unrealistic.
Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next.

I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law.
But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to state.

It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original
statement in a strict legal sense.
But rather, the term is used to imply something.

If the criteria is:
Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling
companies too*), for some public benefit(s)...

...then I would like to see evidence of this.
> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly
inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified
version of R."
Read this post:
https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html

My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of
course something has changed...

May I suggest that this discussion is best left for another time and place. 
Some people have very strong opinions about RStudio vis a vis R,  it has been
discussed here before, shedding mostly heat and not a lot of light  (nor do I
think anyone had their mind changed),  and worse the discussions have tended to
move over to twitter,  where twitter mobs have gone after people whose views on
this subject  didn't agree with theirs,  to the extent of digging up any
transgression that person  ever committed and claiming that discredited anything
they said about R and RStudio, rather than dealing with points made.    I have
seen people who I have reason to believe are well-meaning,  decent people trying
to improve R,  be tarred and feathered on this subject  (and this is on both
sides of the discussion),   I can't believe that this helps improve R,  nor
does it help anyone use R,  which is the main point of this mail-list.

Thanks,

-Roy
 
PS - Or we can start a discussion on the best editor to use - that should be
good for a few flames!   :-)
> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
>> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.
> 
> Not quite.
> Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is unrealistic.
> Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next.
> 
> I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law.
> But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to state.
> 
> It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original
> statement in a strict legal sense.
> But rather, the term is used to imply something.
> 
> If the criteria is:
> Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling
> companies too*), for some public benefit(s)...
> 
> ...then I would like to see evidence of this.
> 
>> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly
inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified
version of R."
> 
> Read this post:
> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html
> 
> My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of
> course something has changed...
> 
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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Completely agree with Roy M. and do not wish to express any opinion, but
this typo was too precious to ignore:

"If the criteria is:
Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling
companies too*), for some public benefit(s)..."

Oh gosh, I hope no prophets are sacrificed ... though I can think of some
financial and political pundits who may deserve that fate ?
Still, let's keep it to chickens or the occasional goat... (with apologies
to any vegans out there).**

Bert Gunter

** and yes feel free to beat me up for this! **


On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 3:40 PM Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.
>
> Not quite.
> Your statement implies some sort of universalism, which is unrealistic.
> Legal definitions vary from one legal system to the next.
>
> I'm not an expert in US company/corporate law.
> But as I understand it, the applicable laws vary from state to state.
>
> It's unlikely that you or most readers will interpret the original
> statement in a strict legal sense.
> But rather, the term is used to imply something.
>
> If the criteria is:
> Sacrificing prophets (not just theirs, but their *holding/sibling
> companies too*), for some public benefit(s)...
>
> ...then I would like to see evidence of this.
>
> > b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are
clearly inventing.
> RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified version
of R."
>
> Read this post:
> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2020-May/466788.html
>
> My information is accurate, and RStudio does modify R, unless of
> course something has changed...
>
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>
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I don't want to relight the fire, but I was wondering about that
statement from John C Frain:
"If you use RStudio and do not install any of the RStudio packages".

I guess you mean that some packages are bundled with RStudio. I had
never noticed any optional packages during the installation of
RStudio... Is there a way to identify (and delete, if wished) these
packages?
Or have I misunderstood?

Thank you!
Ivan

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TraCEr, laboratory for Traceology and Controlled Experiments
MONREPOS Archaeological Research Centre and
Museum for Human Behavioural Evolution
Schloss Monrepos
56567 Neuwied, Germany
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On 16/08/2020 20:20, John C Frain wrote:
> On Sun 16 Aug 2020 at 06:32, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at
dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
>
>> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition.
>>
>> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly
inventing.
>> RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified
version of
>> R." Each user has to opt in to that "modified"
experience by explicitly
>> installing each of the the many CRAN packages that various employees of
>> RStudio have created and all of which can (to my knowledge) be used
without
>> installing the RStudio IDE at all. Yes, a bunch of them can be grabbed
at
>> once by installing the tidyverse package, but that is also a choice
made by
>> users and by instructors struggling to deal with students who have a
hard
>> time with Excel much less functional programming. But RStudio is an R
IDE.
>>
>> There are a lot of packages sponsored by RStudio that I find redundant
and
>> slow, but portraying the RStudio company or the IDE as inherently
"not R"
>> just because newbies like the IDE and the packages they sponsor, and
who
>> end up confusing R with RStudio even though they have to install both,
is
>> small-minded and biased
>
> To clarify:  If you use RStudio and do not install any of the RStudio
> packages, R in RStudio is the same R as if you were running it from the
> command line.  I would think that many users find command completion,
> access to help files, project management Etc. useful. Nobody is asking
> anyone to install the RStudio packages.  I do sometimes but not always and
> have found them useful. Jeff is 100% correct.
>
>
>>  On August 15, 2020 9:10:34 PM PDT, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at
gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
>>> <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>>>  It is a public benefit corporation
>>> Seriously?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller
>>> <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>>>  used to introduce people to R
>>> Correction, it introduces people to a modified version of R.
>> --
>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>>