R help - Jun 2017 - Nash equilibrium and other game theory tools implemented in networks using igraph or similar

I responded to the unhelpful suggestion "Why don't you implement and
uplad the package to CRAN?" No  mention of a search engine. Is this what
you are commenting on Jeff?




> On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at
dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> 
> In what way does reminding people that packages exist because others just
like them contributed something count as being uncivil? Terse, perhaps, since it
bypassed the obvious suggestion to use a search engine, but not rude.
> -- 
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> On June 28, 2017 5:08:16 AM EDT, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> I don't think OP asked an unreasonable question at all.
>> 
>> Civility!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Suzen, Mehmet <mehmet.suzen at
gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why don't you implement and uplad the package to CRAN?
>>> 
>>> On 27 Jun 2017 17:45, "Chris Buddenhagen"
<cbuddenhagen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of some code, and examples that implement game
>> theory/Nash
>>> equilibrium hypothesis testing using existing packages like
>> igraph/statnet
>>> or similar?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps along the lines of this article:
>>> 
>>> Zhang, Y., Aziz-Alaoui, M. A., Bertelle, C., & Guan, J. (2014).
Local
>> Nash
>>> Equilibrium in Social Networks, *4*, 6224.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Chris Buddenhagen
>>> cbuddenhagen at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>       [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more,
see
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>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
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>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.

Thanks I too wondered about the tone. The first suggestion was that I
should "google it" and the second, write my own code. I think if I did
I'd
be reinventing the wheel, (and it'd be a big challenge for me). Also, I
have been searching and not found such code, despite evidence that it has
been coded (just not sure if it was in R). BTW I did write to authors of
the article I cited, but no reply.

Chris Buddenhagen
cbuddenhagen at gmail.com

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:44 AM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca>
wrote:
> I responded to the unhelpful suggestion "Why don't you implement
and uplad
> the package to CRAN?" No  mention of a search engine. Is this what you
are
> commenting on Jeff?
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at
dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
> >
> > In what way does reminding people that packages exist because others
> just like them contributed something count as being uncivil? Terse,
> perhaps, since it bypassed the obvious suggestion to use a search engine,
> but not rude.
> > --
> > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
> >
> > On June 28, 2017 5:08:16 AM EDT, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
> >> I don't think OP asked an unreasonable question at all.
> >>
> >> Civility!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Suzen, Mehmet <mehmet.suzen at
gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why don't you implement and uplad the package to CRAN?
> >>>
> >>> On 27 Jun 2017 17:45, "Chris Buddenhagen"
<cbuddenhagen at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know of some code, and examples that implement
game
> >> theory/Nash
> >>> equilibrium hypothesis testing using existing packages like
> >> igraph/statnet
> >>> or similar?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps along the lines of this article:
> >>>
> >>> Zhang, Y., Aziz-Alaoui, M. A., Bertelle, C., & Guan, J.
(2014). Local
> >> Nash
> >>> Equilibrium in Social Networks, *4*, 6224.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Chris Buddenhagen
> >>> cbuddenhagen at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>       [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________
> >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
> >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible
code.
> >>>
> >>>     [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________
> >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
> >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible
code.
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more,
see
> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> >> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>
>
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Hello,

So you misunderstood me. I didn't suggest that you should google it, 
what I did was to say that it's what I've done. And found a package. Bad
luck if that package doesn't do what you want. Hope you find one.

Rui Barradas

Em 28-06-2017 10:53, Chris Buddenhagen escreveu:
> Thanks I too wondered about the tone. The first suggestion was that I
> should "google it" and the second, write my own code. I think if
I did I'd
> be reinventing the wheel, (and it'd be a big challenge for me). Also, I
> have been searching and not found such code, despite evidence that it has
> been coded (just not sure if it was in R). BTW I did write to authors of
> the article I cited, but no reply.
>
> Chris Buddenhagen
> cbuddenhagen at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:44 AM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> I responded to the unhelpful suggestion "Why don't you
implement and uplad
>> the package to CRAN?" No  mention of a search engine. Is this what
you are
>> commenting on Jeff?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at
dcn.davis.ca.us>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In what way does reminding people that packages exist because
others
>> just like them contributed something count as being uncivil? Terse,
>> perhaps, since it bypassed the obvious suggestion to use a search
engine,
>> but not rude.
>>> --
>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> On June 28, 2017 5:08:16 AM EDT, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>> I don't think OP asked an unreasonable question at all.
>>>>
>>>> Civility!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Suzen, Mehmet <mehmet.suzen
at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you implement and uplad the package to CRAN?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Jun 2017 17:45, "Chris Buddenhagen"
<cbuddenhagen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of some code, and examples that implement
game
>>>> theory/Nash
>>>>> equilibrium hypothesis testing using existing packages like
>>>> igraph/statnet
>>>>> or similar?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps along the lines of this article:
>>>>>
>>>>> Zhang, Y., Aziz-Alaoui, M. A., Bertelle, C., & Guan, J.
(2014). Local
>>>> Nash
>>>>> Equilibrium in Social Networks, *4*, 6224.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Chris Buddenhagen
>>>>> cbuddenhagen at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>        [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained,
reproducible code.
>>>>>
>>>>>      [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained,
reproducible code.
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible
code.
>>
>>
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> ______________________________________________
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> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>

There are many possible responses to the question "Is there a package to do
X." Some that I can imagine are:

* Yes, see package Y...
* No, I am familiar with all 10000 packages and there isn't...
* Silence (because no one who is paying attention is familiar with the one that
exists)
* Use a search engine...
* You are a jerk because you did not use a search engine
* Packages exist because people like you did not find what they were looking for

My point was that response 5 would have been uncivil, but 6 was a valid reminder
and Mehmet was just being brief, not rude.

The first does happen, but it is more common that if the question sounds
interesting that this question triggers list members to search for themselves.
If the OP tells us that they did this already and package Y (that appears as
soon as we do this) is unsuitable for some specific reason, then we all nod and
agree that the search engine wasn't up to the task and watch with the OP in
case someone does respond with an answer. But when the OP does not do that we
get frustrated that yet again we are being treated like a search engine by
someone who does not do their homework, since we don't know why they
regarded the first search result as unsuitable.

Keep in mind that broadcasting to many uninterested parties when the pool of
targeted individuals (in this case,  people who have the answer readily
available) is very very small is an activity most people call "spam".
Showing your work so that someone else can either see something you missed or
share in the joy when a rare answer comes through is what elevates such a
posting from spam to shared research.
-- 
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

On June 28, 2017 5:44:31 AM EDT, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at
utoronto.ca> wrote:
>I responded to the unhelpful suggestion "Why don't you implement
and
>uplad the package to CRAN?" No  mention of a search engine. Is this
>what you are commenting on Jeff?
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Jeff Newmiller
><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>> 
>> In what way does reminding people that packages exist because others
>just like them contributed something count as being uncivil? Terse,
>perhaps, since it bypassed the obvious suggestion to use a search
>engine, but not rude.
>> -- 
>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
>> 
>> On June 28, 2017 5:08:16 AM EDT, Boris Steipe
><boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>> I don't think OP asked an unreasonable question at all.
>>> 
>>> Civility!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Suzen, Mehmet <mehmet.suzen at
gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why don't you implement and uplad the package to CRAN?
>>>> 
>>>> On 27 Jun 2017 17:45, "Chris Buddenhagen"
<cbuddenhagen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know of some code, and examples that implement game
>>> theory/Nash
>>>> equilibrium hypothesis testing using existing packages like
>>> igraph/statnet
>>>> or similar?
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps along the lines of this article:
>>>> 
>>>> Zhang, Y., Aziz-Alaoui, M. A., Bertelle, C., & Guan, J.
(2014).
>Local
>>> Nash
>>>> Equilibrium in Social Networks, *4*, 6224.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Chris Buddenhagen
>>>> cbuddenhagen at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>       [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible
code.
>>>> 
>>>> 	[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and
more, see
>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible
code.
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more,
see
>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide
>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.

On 2017-06-28 5:40 AM, Jeff Newmiller wrote:
> Showing your work so that someone else can either see something you missed
or share in the joy when a rare answer comes through is what elevates such a
posting from spam to shared research.
A "fortune"?


       sg