R help - Jul 2016 - Windows 10 Application Compatibility Check | FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2

When I first graduated some 50 years ago I worked in the Department of
Finance. On small piece of my work involved getting CPI data from the CSO
and doing some calculations. A specific person in the CSO (Central
Statistics Office) usually supplied this information and this fact was
always recorded on the file. On one occasion I could not contact that
person and I visited the department library and extracted the information
myself. When my boss saw that I had not contacted the CSO I was instructed
to contact them and repeat the calculation. It was explained to me that if
I contacted the CSO we could blame someone outside the Department of
Finance if they supplied the information.

It appears that Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering are behaving in
a similar way.  Are they trying to find some excuse to deny their users
access to R on the grounds that it is not "properly" supported. This
does
happen in large organisations.

If any one knows of some organisation that is willing to provide support to
Citi (for a respectable fee) there might be a bit of money to be made.

John C Frain
3 Aranleigh Park
Rathfarnham
Dublin 14
Ireland
www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/frainj/home.html
mailto:frainj at tcd.ie
mailto:frainj at gmail.com

On 26 July 2016 at 23:49, Robert Baer <rbaer at atsu.edu> wrote:
> Runs fine on Windows 10 for me.
>
>
> On 7/25/2016 7:18 AM, Ramar, Rohini wrote:
>
>> Hello Team,
>>
>> We are, Citi Application Readiness Team, need your assistance in order
to
>> gather info about below application compatibility and support for Win
10 as
>> part of Window 10 Readiness initiative. CITI Bank has been using below
>> "FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2"  software
products currently on
>> Win 7 operating system.
>>
>> We would like to know whether the below listed application is
compatible
>> and supported even for Win 10 (64 Bit) or is there any other higher
version
>> of application which would be compatible for Win10. If you have not
tested
>> for Win 10, could you please provide us with a tentative date by when
we
>> can reach you.
>>
>> Application Name : FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2
>>
>>
>> Note: Kindly re-direct this email to appropriate team if we reached you
>> wrongly.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rohini R
>> Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering
>> Client Computing
>> Direct Phone #:+91 22 3346 1497
>> Email ID: rohini.ramar at citi.com<mailto:rohini.ramar at
citi.com>
>>
>>
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Hi,

With the caveat that I speak for myself only, a few comments:

1. Given that Citi appears to have been running R on Windows 7 for some period
of time, I am not sure that they are looking for reasons to deny users access to
R. They are simply looking for some indication that R will run on Windows 10.

2. There is nothing presently in the relevant R for Windows FAQ:

 
https://cran.r-project.org/bin/windows/base/rw-FAQ.html#Does-R-run-under-Windows-Vista_003f

that explicitly indicates that R will run on Windows 10. At some point,
presumably, that would be updated to reflect more recent experience by R Core.

3. Besides Robert's comment below on his experience (n of 1), there are
other comments that I see via a Google search that would suggest that his
experience is not unique (e.g. https://rpubs.com/kartykr/rrproject) and there
are threads in the R-Help archives from last September:

  https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2015-September/431809.html
  https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2015-September/431825.html

that also support the notion that R will run on Windows 10.

4. If Citi, wants to pursue a more "commercial-like" approach to paid
support for R, there are commercial versions of R available, which I shall not
mention here, but a quick Google search would avail them of more details.

5. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, R is not Freeware. R (as made available
by the R Foundation) is free open source software (FOSS) and is distributed
under relevant open source licenses. The label "Freeware", which
typically refers to proprietary software, only means that the binary application
itself is free of charge. It does not mean that the source code for the
application is also available. There is a very large functional and
philosophical difference between FOSS and Freeware.

Regards,

Marc Schwartz

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 9:47 AM, John C Frain <frainj at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> When I first graduated some 50 years ago I worked in the Department of
> Finance. On small piece of my work involved getting CPI data from the CSO
> and doing some calculations. A specific person in the CSO (Central
> Statistics Office) usually supplied this information and this fact was
> always recorded on the file. On one occasion I could not contact that
> person and I visited the department library and extracted the information
> myself. When my boss saw that I had not contacted the CSO I was instructed
> to contact them and repeat the calculation. It was explained to me that if
> I contacted the CSO we could blame someone outside the Department of
> Finance if they supplied the information.
> 
> It appears that Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering are behaving
in
> a similar way.  Are they trying to find some excuse to deny their users
> access to R on the grounds that it is not "properly" supported.
This does
> happen in large organisations.
> 
> If any one knows of some organisation that is willing to provide support to
> Citi (for a respectable fee) there might be a bit of money to be made.
> 
> John C Frain
> 3 Aranleigh Park
> Rathfarnham
> Dublin 14
> Ireland
> www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/frainj/home.html
> mailto:frainj at tcd.ie
> mailto:frainj at gmail.com
> 
> On 26 July 2016 at 23:49, Robert Baer <rbaer at atsu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Runs fine on Windows 10 for me.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/25/2016 7:18 AM, Ramar, Rohini wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Team,
>>> 
>>> We are, Citi Application Readiness Team, need your assistance in
order to
>>> gather info about below application compatibility and support for
Win 10 as
>>> part of Window 10 Readiness initiative. CITI Bank has been using
below
>>> "FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2"  software
products currently on
>>> Win 7 operating system.
>>> 
>>> We would like to know whether the below listed application is
compatible
>>> and supported even for Win 10 (64 Bit) or is there any other higher
version
>>> of application which would be compatible for Win10. If you have not
tested
>>> for Win 10, could you please provide us with a tentative date by
when we
>>> can reach you.
>>> 
>>> Application Name : FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Note: Kindly re-direct this email to appropriate team if we reached
you
>>> wrongly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Rohini R
>>> Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering
>>> Client Computing
>>> Direct Phone #:+91 22 3346 1497
>>> Email ID: rohini.ramar at citi.com<mailto:rohini.ramar at
citi.com>

Sorry if my earlier remarks were unfair to City but their request reminded
me of some problems that I had with using R, similar software and the
obstacles placed in my way by an IT Department many years ago. If it is of
any help I have R installed on a Desktop and two laptops (running 64-bit
Windows 10) and one very modest Tablet (running 32-bit Windows 10). Perhaps
I have been lucky as I have not encountered any problems.

Rstudio clearly supports Windows 10 (See supported packages on
https://www.rstudio.com/products/rstudio/download2/).  Microsoft have
"Microsoft R Open" (formerly Revolution R) available at
https://mran.revolutionanalytics.com/. These are based on a fixed CRAN
repository date. The version available there is said to be compatible
with Windows
7.0 (SP1), 8.1, 10 and Windows Server? 2008 R2 (SP1), 2012 (64-bit versions
only).


John C Frain
3 Aranleigh Park
Rathfarnham
Dublin 14
Ireland
www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/frainj/home.html
mailto:frainj at tcd.ie
mailto:frainj at gmail.com

On 27 July 2016 at 17:09, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz at me.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With the caveat that I speak for myself only, a few comments:
>
> 1. Given that Citi appears to have been running R on Windows 7 for some
> period of time, I am not sure that they are looking for reasons to deny
> users access to R. They are simply looking for some indication that R will
> run on Windows 10.
>
> 2. There is nothing presently in the relevant R for Windows FAQ:
>
>
>
https://cran.r-project.org/bin/windows/base/rw-FAQ.html#Does-R-run-under-Windows-Vista_003f
>
> that explicitly indicates that R will run on Windows 10. At some point,
> presumably, that would be updated to reflect more recent experience by R
> Core.
>
> 3. Besides Robert's comment below on his experience (n of 1), there are
> other comments that I see via a Google search that would suggest that his
> experience is not unique (e.g. https://rpubs.com/kartykr/rrproject) and
> there are threads in the R-Help archives from last September:
>
>   https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2015-September/431809.html
>   https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2015-September/431825.html
>
> that also support the notion that R will run on Windows 10.
>
> 4. If Citi, wants to pursue a more "commercial-like" approach to
paid
> support for R, there are commercial versions of R available, which I shall
> not mention here, but a quick Google search would avail them of more
> details.
>
> 5. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, R is not Freeware. R (as made
> available by the R Foundation) is free open source software (FOSS) and is
> distributed under relevant open source licenses. The label
"Freeware",
> which typically refers to proprietary software, only means that the binary
> application itself is free of charge. It does not mean that the source code
> for the application is also available. There is a very large functional and
> philosophical difference between FOSS and Freeware.
>
> Regards,
>
> Marc Schwartz
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 9:47 AM, John C Frain <frainj at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > When I first graduated some 50 years ago I worked in the Department of
> > Finance. On small piece of my work involved getting CPI data from the
CSO
> > and doing some calculations. A specific person in the CSO (Central
> > Statistics Office) usually supplied this information and this fact was
> > always recorded on the file. On one occasion I could not contact that
> > person and I visited the department library and extracted the
information
> > myself. When my boss saw that I had not contacted the CSO I was
> instructed
> > to contact them and repeat the calculation. It was explained to me
that
> if
> > I contacted the CSO we could blame someone outside the Department of
> > Finance if they supplied the information.
> >
> > It appears that Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering are
behaving
> in
> > a similar way.  Are they trying to find some excuse to deny their
users
> > access to R on the grounds that it is not "properly"
supported. This does
> > happen in large organisations.
> >
> > If any one knows of some organisation that is willing to provide
support
> to
> > Citi (for a respectable fee) there might be a bit of money to be made.
> >
> > John C Frain
> > 3 Aranleigh Park
> > Rathfarnham
> > Dublin 14
> > Ireland
> > www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/frainj/home.html
> > mailto:frainj at tcd.ie
> > mailto:frainj at gmail.com
> >
> > On 26 July 2016 at 23:49, Robert Baer <rbaer at atsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Runs fine on Windows 10 for me.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/25/2016 7:18 AM, Ramar, Rohini wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Team,
> >>>
> >>> We are, Citi Application Readiness Team, need your assistance
in order
> to
> >>> gather info about below application compatibility and support
for Win
> 10 as
> >>> part of Window 10 Readiness initiative. CITI Bank has been
using below
> >>> "FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2" 
software products
> currently on
> >>> Win 7 operating system.
> >>>
> >>> We would like to know whether the below listed application is
> compatible
> >>> and supported even for Win 10 (64 Bit) or is there any other
higher
> version
> >>> of application which would be compatible for Win10. If you
have not
> tested
> >>> for Win 10, could you please provide us with a tentative date
by when
> we
> >>> can reach you.
> >>>
> >>> Application Name : FreeWare R Statistical Environment v3.2.2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Note: Kindly re-direct this email to appropriate team if we
reached you
> >>> wrongly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Rohini R
> >>> Citi Architecture & Technology Engineering
> >>> Client Computing
> >>> Direct Phone #:+91 22 3346 1497
> >>> Email ID: rohini.ramar at citi.com<mailto:rohini.ramar at
citi.com>
>
>
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