R help - Jul 2015 - Daily Category Revenue-Stacked Bar Chart in ggplot2

No, I'm not confused. I just posted on R help website. I don't know how
to
use the email client to do anything which you are speaking of. If you would
like the posts to be made in an alternative way, then you will need to
provide clear direction. Sending someone to a help page which doesn't
reference what you are speaking about isn't actually helpful. 



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Since there IS NO R-help website that you can post on, you are definitely being
confused by the Nabble website. This is a MAILING list that you interact with by
sending emails to r-help at r-project.org, not a website forum. The trouble with
Nabble is that it does confuse users, and breaks the continuity of emails that
people who use it as it was intended to be used depend on.

For example, as a Nabble user you may not even be seeing the following footer
that the rest of us live by:

PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal,
self-contained, reproducible code.

A more accurate web rendition of R-help than Nabble presents may be seen here:

https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/

which is mentioned at the link that you complained did not help you.

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On July 29, 2015 2:37:56 PM EDT, Hidden Markov Model <hussain at
touchofmodern.com> wrote:
>No, I'm not confused. I just posted on R help website. I don't know
how
>to
>use the email client to do anything which you are speaking of. If you
>would
>like the posts to be made in an alternative way, then you will need to
>provide clear direction. Sending someone to a help page which doesn't
>reference what you are speaking about isn't actually helpful. 
>
>
>
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>
>______________________________________________
>R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
>https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
>PLEASE do read the posting guide
>http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
>and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.

> On 29-07-2015, at 20:37, Hidden Markov Model <hussain at
touchofmodern.com> wrote:
> 
> No, I'm not confused. I just posted on R help website.
The R help website is  NOT on Nabble. You posted from Nabble as can be seen from
your message.
It can also be seen in what the internet browser displays. It is what we see in
our email application.

Jeff gave you the correct advice.
Use your email client. Don?t use Nabble and your internet browser.
See the section Using R help on https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help

Berend
> I don't know how to
> use the email client to do anything which you are speaking of. If you would
> like the posts to be made in an alternative way, then you will need to
> provide clear direction. Sending someone to a help page which doesn't
> reference what you are speaking about isn't actually helpful. 
> 
> 
> 
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> View this message in context:
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> Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.

Alright, I think I understand what you guys are talking about. It is still
not clear the relationship between R-help and Nabble since you guys haven't
actually answered that. 

Again, the best way to provide proper advice is to actually quote to portion
of the website you are sending people to, i.e., "To post a message to all
the list members, send email to r-help at r-project.org." 

But this still doesn't address the issue of why that is necessary in the
first place. Indeed, when a post is made the user sees the following
message, which seems to indicate that the method of posting doesn't actually
matter: 

"This forum is an archive/gateway which will forward your post to the
r-help at r-project.org mailing list".

Cheers! 





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Hi Markov
I have no idea of what nabble is or why it exists but the real problem with it
is that it looks like (is?) a form where questions and responses are threaded so
that it is obvious what the on-going conversation is.

So a nabble user will respond with something like :
Great but why xx1 is not a postive number? 

Unfortunately there no context.  Perhaps in the mailing list their origiinal
question appeared 35 or 40 emails ago. In some cases, probably many the R-help
readers have  decided the OP is not interested any more and had deleted the rest
of the correspondence. Therefore they have no clue what the nabble user is
blathering on about and is usually not inclined to go to nabble read possibly
4-10 posts etc.

There are basically two ways of replying in a mailing list depending on personal
preference and on exact needs.  Typically one top-posts if the answer is
relatively self-contained. See my response.

The other way is in-line. This is used normally when the responder wants to deal
with individual points in the code or make various specific comments.

In both cases the entire context of the original problem is maintained.
Judidcious editing is okay but the main issues are always included in the post
so any reader can have a quick look and understand what is happening.

Nabble posters seem never to provide context because they think they are in a
forum. In many cases R-help users just are not willing to waste time doing what
the original poster should have done

To properly participate in R-help you should go to the R home page and subscribe
to the R-help mailing list there.
>ou should probably write a wiki going forward so you won't get 
>upset every-time somebody asks a reasonable question.
Feel free to do so. 
One thing to note about the R-help list. It can be incredibly helpful but is not
terribly polite or, in some cases particularly tolerant of what is perceived as
un-list behaviours and so people do get flames, sometimes deservedly and
sometimes unjustly. Just hope you don't get Ripleyied.:)

I'll have to think about your use of a barchart. I think you are the first
person who has ever come up with an explanation of why one would use a barchart
that may make sense. Can you give me an example?

Well come to the R-help list (down with nabble)



John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hussain at touchofmodern.com
> Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: r-help at r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R] Daily Category Revenue-Stacked Bar Chart in ggplot2
> 
> Alright thanks for clarifying. That's all a bit esoteric. Quite
different
> from "basics off computer use".  None of the documentation anyone
> mentioned
> actually contains any of this. If Nabble is so bad, then why does anyone
> use
> it? It doesn't make sense. You should probably write a wiki going
forward
> so
> you won't get upset every-time somebody asks a reasonable question.
> 
> 
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> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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Hi John, 

Certainly, that makes sense. Thank you for the clear explanation. I am
subscribed to the email list, it is how I knew you replied. A stacked bar
chart is great for managing and analyzing multi-ad placement Profit and
seeing the time series of the individual charts. Tableau makes it very easy
to use, since you can highlight a specific section and gray out the others
to zero in on issues. 



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