On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:04 PM Duncan Murdoch wrote:> I don't recall anyone asking for the zip in the 17 years after that > change, until now (though I haven't been paying attention lately, since > I retired from building the binaries a couple of years ago). > > If you think it's worthwhile to do it, then I don't think anyone would > object if you went ahead and did so.If I visited this page: https://cran.cnr.berkeley.edu/bin/windows/base and found Zip builds I would use those. Not only do those not exist, but the installer has been created in such a way that it cant even be extracted from. Just because you dont recall it, doesnt mean the demand isnt there. The R community isnt exactly reachable:> NOTE: due to abuse by spammers, since 2016-07-09 only ?members? (including all > who have previously submitted bugs) can submit new bugs on R?s Bugzilla. For > now, either post (e-mail) your bug report to R-devel or ask an R Core member to > add you manually to R?s Bugzilla members.http://r-project.org/bugs.html So bugs and feature requests cant even be posted to bugzilla. Then regarding the mailing list, even if subscribed you cant post, as all posts are moderated. Compare to other languages, where you just log in an post an issue: - https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/issues - https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues - https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues - https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/issues - https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues If R team is happy with current status quo, then do nothing. If they are interested in growing the userbase this might be one way to do it.
On 03/06/2019 9:16 p.m., Steven Penny wrote:> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:04 PM Duncan Murdoch wrote: >> I don't recall anyone asking for the zip in the 17 years after that >> change, until now (though I haven't been paying attention lately, since >> I retired from building the binaries a couple of years ago). >> >> If you think it's worthwhile to do it, then I don't think anyone would >> object if you went ahead and did so. > > If I visited this page: > > https://cran.cnr.berkeley.edu/bin/windows/base > > and found Zip builds I would use those. Not only do those not exist, but the > installer has been created in such a way that it cant even be extracted from. > Just because you dont recall it, doesnt mean the demand isnt there. The R > community isnt exactly reachable: > >> NOTE: due to abuse by spammers, since 2016-07-09 only ?members? (including all >> who have previously submitted bugs) can submit new bugs on R?s Bugzilla. For >> now, either post (e-mail) your bug report to R-devel or ask an R Core member to >> add you manually to R?s Bugzilla members. > > http://r-project.org/bugs.html > > So bugs and feature requests cant even be posted to bugzilla. Then regarding the > mailing list, even if subscribed you cant post, as all posts are moderated. > Compare to other languages, where you just log in an post an issue: > > - https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/issues > - https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues > - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/issues > - https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues > - https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/issues > - https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues > > If R team is happy with current status quo, then do nothing. If they are > interested in growing the userbase this might be one way to do it. >You are as much a member of the R team as I am. If you are interested in growing the userbase, then you should go ahead and do it. By the way, I realized after posting that I was wrong when I said nobody would object if you did that. People object to everything. Duncan Murdoch
> If they choose to continue with only EXE, > I will just keep using other programming languages.I did agree with your original suggestion. However, I don't think that a lack of zip formats, is a disincentive from using R. If you have an issue with the Windows installer, the obvious option is to install the source version, and compile from it. This is, after all, how open source is designed to work. Also, I agree with what Duncan said. Abs [[alternative HTML version deleted]]