I have compiled Darwin R using the AquaTk frameworks. This works
(except for a small glitch). I am sure Stefano could hook these into
Carbon R, but Jose/Stefano probably should connect them with
the Cocoa interfaces. You can get the frameworks (8.4a5, I
think) from ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/pub/alpha/tcl/alphatk/ -- they are
in the alphatk.dmg. Of course the X11 version of tcltk does NOT
work with Carbon R.
On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 01:21 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:
> Dear Jan
>
>>>>>> "Jan" == Jan de Leeuw
<deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu>
>>>>>> on Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:09:22 -0700 writes:
>
> ....
>
> Jan> ....... In fact, the tcltk interface
> Jan> (which now exists natively on MSW, X11, and Aqua)
>
> Can you explain ? {maybe on R-devel}
> I'm not a Mac expert at all, not even a regular user. But I've
> talked with Stefano Iacus two days ago and he said that R's
> tcltk package was not working with "Carbon R".
>
> Do you think this would be fixable easily enough?
> We {most of R core} would be very glad to be able to say
> "tcltk runs on all platforms that R runs" and hance can be
> easily made available on all platforms.
>
>
> Jan> already has some mouse interaction -- see
> Jan> demo(tkcanvas), and quite a bit can be done by using
> Jan> nonstandard packages such as RGtk (on MSW and X11).
>
>
> Jan> I really hated to give up Lisp (and many lines of
> Jan> existing code), and I agree that extensions such as
> Jan> Vista and Arc are major arguments in favor of XLS, but
> Jan> it seems that XLS is best as an environment to develop
> Jan> GUI statistics tools (hiding the lisp) and not as an
> Jan> environment to actually do statistics. Vista and Arc
> Jan> are great for teaching, but raw XLS is not. In that
> Jan> sense XLS is more like a specialized version of one of
> Jan> the scripting languages such as Ruby or Python or VB or
> Jan> Tcl/Tk.
>
> Jan> So basically, it would be great if the capability to
> Jan> write GUI statistics packages on top of raw R would be
> Jan> part of R -- this includes dynamic graphics, but it
> Jan> also includes a library of widgets. My feeling is that
> Jan> the current possibilities (tcltk and RGtk) are too far
> Jan> removed from the core of R.
>
> You are right. Fortunately things are changing.
> Also, as far as I understand Duncan Temple Lang, Rggobi
> (partly together with RGtk) makes up for a very nice
> programmably interface for dynamic graphics.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Martin Maechler
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> Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum LEO C16 Leonhardstr. 27
> ETH (Federal Inst. Technology) 8092 Zurich SWITZERLAND
> phone: x-41-1-632-3408 fax: ...-1228 <><
>
>
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